From Wounds to Restoration: A Survivor's Journey of Hope, Healing, and Purpose with Anna Friendt

In this episode, Kristin Kurtz welcomes her dear friend, Anna Friendt—an artist, tattooist, and founder of the non-profit Remade. Anna shares her powerful story of overcoming exploitation and trafficking, turning profound pain into purpose through God’s redeeming love. She guides us through her journey, from a traumatic childhood to becoming a licensed tattoo artist, where she now helps survivors transform scars and brands into beautiful artwork, symbolizing restoration and hope.

Together, Anna and Kristin explore the faith-filled journey of trusting God’s plan, even when it feels uncertain or unconventional. They encourage listeners to believe in a God who can take life’s broken pieces and make them whole in ways we might never imagine. Anna’s ministry is centered on fostering hope and healing, one heart at a time...

Tune in for an inspiring conversation filled with grace, healing, and the incredible ways God can use even our deepest wounds to create something beautiful. If you're looking for encouragement to follow the path God has set before you, this episode will uplift, empower, and inspire you to trust in His perfect plan.

Connect with Anna:
www.annafriendt.com
remadeformore.org 

Chapters

• 0:16 From Trauma to Purpose
• 14:36 Signs of Trafficking and Branding Awareness
• 25:47 Healing Brokenness Through Kintsugi
• 32:40 Trusting God's Plan and Timing
• 47:19 Prioritizing Rest and Family Balancing
• 56:20 Rest, Creativity, and Healing Journeys
• 1:13:18 The Power of Healing Testimonies
• 1:19:04 Spreading Peace and Rest

Transcript

Speaker 2: 0:16

Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast. I'm your host, kristen Kurtz, and I'm also the founder of New Wings Coaching. I help and empower wildhearted and adventurous women of faith feeling caged and stuck, unlock their true purpose and potential, break free from limitations and thrive with confidence, courage and hope. If you're curious to learn more about coaching with me, head to newwingscoachingnet and be sure to explore the show notes for ways to connect with me further. Get ready to dive in as we uncover empowering keys and insights in this episode. So tune in and let's unlock hope together.

Speaker 2: 0:48

Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast. I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host. I pray this episode is like a holy IV of hope for your soul. Please help me. Welcome my friend Anna Frent to the show. I am so excited to have her here today. I've been actually waiting a long time to interview her. Have her here today. I've been actually waiting a long time to interview her. She has quite a testimony and I just love the calling that God has her mightily moving in in this world and the ways that she has truly gone through the fire and is just delivering so much hope to so many. So, anna, would you be open to sharing a little bit about yourself, and then we'll get going.

Speaker 3: 1:30

Yeah, Hi. Yeah, I am Anna Frent. I think I first and foremost I'm a mama and wife. I love my family and I am also an artist and just recently actually just finished my apprenticeship for tattoo artist and now fully licensed as of like. The license just came through last week.

Speaker 2: 2:00

So congratulations.

Speaker 3: 2:02

Yes, that's really exciting, exciting, a lot of hard work poured into that um and then also founder and executive director of non-profit um remade. In years past we were under the name anchor 13 studio. Uh, we use the creative arts to um end trafficking locally here in the Twin Cities and we yeah, we do a lot, and a lot of that is based off of my story and testimony there.

Speaker 2: 2:37

Well, congratulations. First of all, the moment that I saw what he was leading you into, I was like, oh, I need to be one of the many who will come get a tattoo.

Speaker 3: 2:47

And actually, my tattoo was remade yes, it was, and one of the first, one of the first cover-ups I got to do is so that trust exchange thank you.

Speaker 2: 2:58

Yes, yeah, I trust. I trust the work of your hands, because God is working through them, amen. Well, tell us if you're open to it kind of what. Obviously he leads us into these ministries and you know businesses or what have you. There's usually a story behind it, right? Yeah, would you be open to?

Speaker 3: 3:26

telling us a little bit more of you know where? Where have you walked in your life? Yeah, yeah, um, I always like to let people know it could go for for novels, so I try to do a quick version and then, if you have questions or want me to pause, feel free. Um, sometimes I get a little jumpy, I don't know, but but, yeah, I, like I said, our nonprofit is, is inspired by or built off of my story and my testimony, and so, as we're an anti-trafficking organization, I think that can quickly allude to I was. There was a time in my life where I was exploited and trafficked, life where I was exploited and trafficked, and a lot of that goes back to my beginning, and my beginning was not easy. I think some of us, a lot of us, could say that maybe and I just say this as a phrase you know, the cards we're given or handed were not maybe the best right, and so my beginning looked like I was born overseas, to a family where my dad was in the army and he had met my mom in Korea, and so, um, since I don't know if the podcast is video or not, so if you can't see my face, I'm, uh, biracial, so I'm Korean and always told half Swedish, um, but yeah, so that's kind of part of my beginnings.

Speaker 3: 5:02

My family moved to Texas. My younger brother was born and our mom actually abandoned us while we were in a daycare and they had to fly my grandma in to figure out how to provide care to us while our dad still served in the army. So then we moved, I think, a few times back and forth between Texas and Minnesota. So those first three years of our life were completely unstable. We lost, you know, our mom, so we never really got to bond with a mother figure, um. And then when we moved up to Minnesota, our our father was, um, jailed for sexually abusing me I think that was at age three and um. So because of that second loss of, you know, parent, in a way we became I kind of coined it as orphans by abandonment and um. So from ages three to six we were in foster care here in Minnesota, um, there are a couple times we were placed in a shelter and I think our total number of moves before we were placed in a final home was around a dozen um. So that would be average, you know, two moves a year. I don't know what that panned out to be exactly two moves a year, but I think we moved every couple months. I don't think we stayed in a place very long, um. So our normal, uh, my younger brother and I our normal was instability. Our normal was not having, uh, strong parent bonds um. Our normal for me included abuse, um, and you know so that was kind of the cards that we were dealt when we were kind of brought into the world and um, adoptive life.

Speaker 3: 7:20

You know, I carried a lot of that trauma with me as a kid. I struggled with, you know, self-worth, depression and just I think anxiety was another thing that I really struggled with in my youth. And connecting with my adoptive parents and, you know, not developing strong bonds there, that was a challenge for me also. Challenge for me also. I had a lot of wounds that needed tending to and I didn't really have the space for for that Um, and so that created a lot of what you know what we would call vulnerabilities, um, which made me very, very much an easy target for exploitation and trafficking, and so I think that happened shortly after high school graduation.

Speaker 3: 8:14

I was still very young and it wasn't a long time that I was trafficked, but it was so bad that I knew I needed to get out and it took a God calling me to him moment. And I think, growing up I was placed in a home that was Christian but I never knew God to be good and I never knew God to be who he said he was. Those are things I had to learn and navigate. I think that's how our you know, how he reveals himself to us in our testimony. Um, but yeah, I, um it struggled again, like I said, with my, my self-worth and I was super suicidal by this point, had a lot of ideations and there was a point when I was during my time of being trafficked where I was suicidal, and so that night I had, you know, aimed to put an end to the life that God gave me and he I believe Holy Spirit brought a Bible verse to mind that I and I never could remember verses very well. So that's why I really truly believe it was God intervening and him reminding me, and that was Jeremiah 29, 11.

Speaker 3: 9:49

And I remember that night thinking like if, in that scripture, where I know the plans for you, says the Lord, you know that that word, the Lord, that phrase, the Lord that was the first time I thought maybe that is Jesus in that passage.

Speaker 3: 10:09

And so that night I gave my life to Jesus because I wanted the plans that he had for me, because the plans that I had for me only led me to the bottom of the pit, um, so that night he took me out of the pit and placed me on a solid and firm foundation, and I was able to. I called my mom the next day and just told her where I was at, and because I had, I was no longer living at the home and so asked if I can move back and pursue school again. I dropped out of college, so I wanted to, you know, go back to college and finish my degree for graphic design, and she said yes. So it wasn't like a major, I don't know, like it was a major heart change and change of posture apart, right, but, um, I still had to address all of the trauma in my childhood after saying yes, and so I think that just simply marked the beginning of my healing journey. Um, and it's been a it's been a long one, it's.

Speaker 3: 11:21

I think it's really neat when people have those stories where it's like you say yes, and then they're amazingly like all better, but it, I think for me it started with a change of heart. So in our logo for Remade it's an anatomical heart to kind of remind ourselves. It begins with a change of heart and our ministry is always about one heart at a time, right, um, because that just I love to think about when he took me out of that pit and he took my stony, prideful heart and he began to soften it and turn it into flesh. So that's kind of the imagery behind our logo. And then every place we go or every thing we touch as far as outreach goes, kind of points to some of the places I have been.

Speaker 3: 12:27

So we do strip club outreach, um, as that was a piece of my story.

Speaker 3: 12:32

We do foster um outreach where we create backpacks filled with creative art materials, because that the creative arts, is really how I found solace and a space of safety during foster care.

Speaker 3: 12:51

And we do correctional facility engagement where we do our uh, recreated heart workshop, um, to help people work through their own trauma, and that whole workshop is based off of my healing journey, um, and that kind of I have a heart for those who are in those spaces, as my dad was in prison for what he had done to me and for me it's kind of a reminder that even those who maybe have done wrong they deserve healing and forgiveness and an opportunity to navigate their own wounds.

Speaker 3: 13:33

Um, and then finally, you know we've got the tattoo cover-up services that we've been working hard through my becoming a tattoo artist. We've been working hard through my becoming a tattoo artist and I think I know I never had a brand, but I had learned about that while I've been doing anti-trafficking work and really thought that if God had made me an artist and had giftings, maybe this is a direction that he would lead me in. And I really felt him kind of prompt that and I thought he was a little off his rocker, but he never is, because when he plants an idea and then you pursue it, he tends to keep the gates open wide for you to walk through and he's done that very beautifully. Um, so I I think that's like a good summary of kind of the places I've been and why we go to the places that we go to for our organization.

Speaker 2: 14:36

Yes, well, if we could just back up a little bit. I feel um, if there's mamas out there who have daughters even. Yeah, what could potentially be maybe a warning sign that something might be happening or could happen with their children? Because at least here, minnesota is a very high trafficking state and it's not. You know, we're believing that it's going to get better, but it's it's.

Speaker 2: 15:12

Things are not very good right now, real bleak yeah so could you maybe share a little bit about that, and then also maybe a little bit of what you've learned about this branding as well, like what is the reason behind it, and maybe a story that you've heard from a woman that has had the opportunity to be remade with a tattoo that you've done a cover up with? Absolutely. Two stories there.

Speaker 3: 15:40

Yeah, we'll start. We'll start with number one. So things to keep an eye out for, just I think. One, I think always encouraging healthy relationship between parents and children and, hopefully, an open line of communication and trust. Um, just so that if they find themselves in an uncomfortable situation or conversation, they'd be comfortable enough to bring it to light. Um, and if that isn't there where they feel comfortable sharing, um, I'd look for I mean first whether or not they're being isolated, um going to their rooms, being more private with the technology. Um, and just keeping an eye on relationships around them that maybe are aiming or feel like they're isolating or pulling the child away from the family. Um, and then other signs you can keep an eye out for um designer uh bags or clothing or or shoes just coming in um to the home, even not knowing, maybe, where their whereabouts are. Really guarding certain relationships, too, would be things to look out for.

Speaker 3: 17:20

There's a rise in online grooming. It's not always online. Oftentimes it can be family members or people that know the family, but we're seeing a rise in online grooming. So just making sure we're being careful about what we allow and permit on the devices and what kind of open conversations are. You know how open are we to having our children have conversations with people that they don't know. You know, but doing the best to try to parental guards on apps and gaming systems as well and apps and gaming systems as well finding.

Speaker 3: 18:10

Maybe there's kind of a gateway there through, like yeah, yeah, so with our, our daughter's only six, but my husband and I have talked about like what games we'd feel comfortable with her playing. Um, we definitely wouldn't encourage her to or wouldn't allow her to be a part of open world gaming where, um, anyone could just chat with her, uh, online, much like how, if you have a public instagram account, someone can just dm you. Uh, there's grooming that's been happening over um, over gaming as well, the gaming community. So I don't know. A lot of people know about you know like what, what is going on in the gaming world, but you can also look that up.

Speaker 2: 18:57

But yeah, and then what is branding, kind of yeah, if you could just share maybe a little bit more about that for those who don't know. And then, what is branding kind of? Yeah, if you could just share maybe a little bit more about that for those who don't know. Maybe they've seen somebody and they're like oh, I wonder what that tattoo means. Yeah, okay, is it pretty standard? Because I don't even know like what it would look like.

Speaker 3: 19:19

There's a lot of common things that can pop up, um like imagery, so a brand will typically needs to be seen. Uh, people will go as far as doing barcodes on women. Um, other imagery that are popular are crowns, even the words like daddy or king or, you know, words of ownership, and sometimes scarring can also be not just like tattooing, but physical harm and permanent scarring can be another way of branding someone. Branding is essentially an image-driven way of indicating ownership over the victim, over um the victim, and uh yeah, uh, money symbols are another one money bags, um trying to think what else there are. Those are more common.

Speaker 3: 20:38

Um, or even the name of the uh trafficker can also be another one. As far as locations, again they want them to be visible. So I know up above the chest area is a common place, even on the back arms really, where a buyer or another trafficker would be able to see it, because again, they're an indication that that individual is is owned so they typically do like the same one for the people that that specific trafficker has trafficked, or is it different?

Speaker 3: 21:27

uh, I would. I would say typically um, I think too, it depends on where are they bringing the victim to get tattooed. Sometimes they'll bring them into a shop. So I think shops having education and knowing what to look out for, I mean, if the person receiving that tattoo is not allowed to speak or even allowed to request the artwork, that's a big red flag. Yeah, so I think, and there I think, that our organizations out there that are offering education and resources available.

Speaker 3: 22:03

I don't know that it's widespread and well known, but I think that is very good for tattoo shops to get educated on what that looks like, or they'll just, you know, illegal tattoo application and have someone who just has a machine and you can buy them on Amazon now so you could do it, like people could get them done in a basement, um, and just do it. So I think it depends on to like what are the circumstances, but I think typically a trafficker will do a um this, a same image for each of their victims. Victims typically okay, oh, it's, it's like I it's, it's very heavy, right, it's, but I know yeah, especially when you realize it's reality.

Speaker 2: 22:54

yeah, and I, for those of you who are listening, like part of why I wanted Anna to come on is because she's actually walked this out. She's actually walked through a very horrible upbringing and, like I know her, like I don't, like we haven't been best friends forever, right. Like sisters, like in Christ. And.

Speaker 2: 23:21

I know that he has literally done such a work in your life. And I love that you shared even to the point of you know I'm still walking some things out. I also grew up in a lot of trauma and still moving a lot and I won't get into all of it.

Speaker 2: 23:39

But yeah you know as much. Like you said, it would be great if we could just like snap a finger and I. I was snatched out of the pit too, and there were things that literally like there were like some things that fell off right away. But yeah it's that, it's that remaking process that um, it's been, you know, over 20 years for me, since you pulled me out of the pit, and, um, I'm thankful that it's been a slow process in some ways, but in other ways I'm like, can we just speed this up?

Speaker 3: 24:17

Yes, right, but you can't really tell the surgeon, like if he's working on your heart. You know, I know, yeah.

Speaker 2: 24:25

And that's really like what I love so much. I think one of the first things that really drew me to, I believe I want to say because we have a mutual friend, Laura, and I think it was her that connected us. Sometimes I can't remember, but I believe it was yeah. I think you had maybe had just put out a painting of the Kintsugi. Okay, when did you do that? Like five years ago, maybe, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 24:55

Yeah, I think it was 2000 and I want to say 17, maybe okay yeah, and he was like speaking to my heart, literally like about kintsugi around that time, and and I just it resonated with my heart so much because you know, like Anna and I, like our, and I can speak to this and I can know this is for you too that, like my heart for so many years was like shattered in a million pieces.

Speaker 3: 25:26

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:26

Like I didn't even know how to like operate and live. It was like survival right, Would you?

Speaker 3: 25:31

say that, yeah, absolutely, I mean survival. That's what led me into being again another piece of being exploited. Was it was that or suicide for me, so I totally relate.

Speaker 2: 25:47

So what inspired the Kintsugi for you? When did you learn about it? And how did that integrate into, like your ministry?

Speaker 3: 25:57

Yeah, I think I had just seen an image of the artwork like the pottery, and it wasn't really. I feel like it's gained some traction online in recent years. A lot of books have been inspired by that process. But anything that has roots to my, to my heritage, I've always been really drawn to, and I know that can be common for other adoptees as well. Um, but yeah, so I was really drawn to that, I think in part because of my Korean background. Um, it's technically a Japanese process, but Korean and Chinese people practice it as well in their own way.

Speaker 3: 26:46

Um, and so when I get stuck on a thing or I'm really drawn to it, I like have to research it extremely thoroughly. And so there was just a season where I was like trying to learn everything I could about the process and then use that process as a way to kind of help me understand, because I need imagery. I think we're parables to help me understand because I'm I need imagery. I think were parables to help me understand things. Um, but that kind of helped me understood my own brokenness in a way of how it could also in God's hands, who's the, you know, master potter and it helped me understand how, how something could be broken yet still be made whole. It was the perfect imagery for those things that I thought couldn't coexist. It really helped me see they.

Speaker 2: 27:44

They can yeah, absolutely do you have, because I I have the print here like do you still? Have these prints.

Speaker 3: 27:52

I still have those prints, I think they're on my website. And then I still make the necklaces. I make the little white heart necklaces.

Speaker 2: 28:02

Yes, and when you first released the necklace I was like I need that too. So definitely check it out, just as a quick commercial break break. We'll have information so that you can reach out to Anna and check out the work. It's incredible, but I have the postcard and I think it's the postcard you send with the yeah do you have that with you?

Speaker 3: 28:24

um, I don't have it on me if you want to read it. You're more than welcome to.

Speaker 2: 28:27

I think that's a really beautiful way to describe it hanging up on my wall. I have a lot of prophetic artwork and this is one that's like it's not moving. But the verse that is on the front with the heart is he heals the brokenhearted and binds up their wounds. That's Psalm 147.3. So could you just tell us a little bit more about maybe the verse, and then I'll read the back here.

Speaker 3: 28:55

Yeah, I think. For a long time I thought I could fix myself. It's like aiming to do heart surgery on yourself. You would never encourage anyone to do that. But I think for years I tried, and then that scripture just reminds me like in his hands, he'll take care of it, he'll bind up the wounds. We don't have to know the how, we don't have to figure it out, we don't hearts to the hands of the maker and allowing him to be the one, the maker of our hearts, to also be the healer of our hearts as well well, let me read the back.

Speaker 2: 29:42

Yeah, so it's kintsugi. I don't know if I'm even saying it right it sounds good to me um. It says the word meaning is golden seams yeah so I don't know about you, but you know, just even seeing the gold in between and the fact that the gold is worth so much like the actual um piece that's created is worth more than it was that's beautiful broken right, so I just I just find it. It's.

Speaker 2: 30:14

There's so many ways that you could like go with this, but yeah um, it says an ancient japanese process used for ceramic restoration, and that word just there, it is restoration yeah it is a technique where tree sap is used to bond the broken pieces of a vessel to make it whole again.

Speaker 2: 30:33

In the end of this creative process, the bond dries and the seams are not hidden to make the vessel appear as it did before broken. Instead, the seams are highlighted beautifully in gold, highlighting that the vessel had shattered and has been mended in gold. Shattered and has been mended in gold. When God mends us together, he does not make us as we once were, although the old can be seen in part. He makes us into a new creation from what once was, where our brokenness reveals his beauty, beautiful, golden glory in our lives. A broken vessel that stands mended is a message of hope to those who feel as if their lives are shattered in pieces I mean, yeah, that's absolutely I love that.

Speaker 3: 31:21

I mean, I wrote, I wrote that I'm like, oh my gosh, this is absolutely what he does, amen that's what you poured out of you yeah, yeah, it's what.

Speaker 3: 31:31

It's just like what he's done with my life. He's made me a new creation and it's when we allow him to do what only he can do. We shine differently, and I think I've always seen as an artist if you were to look through my artwork online or whatever on my website, gold is something I'll put through a lot of my paintings and I love when a painting shimmers and it reminds me of God's glory, you know, and his glory shines and it draws us in and it causes us to, um, just really stand in on. I think, when we look at each other's testimonies, when we have allowed him to shine his glory through our stories, um, it, it causes others to stand in awe and then we all, you know, give, give God the credit for the glory, for the work that only he can do in our lives.

Speaker 2: 32:40

And, like you said, you know, like the surgeon, we don't really want to try to do heart surgery on ourselves.

Speaker 3: 32:46

And I tried it you guys, it doesn't work.

Speaker 2: 32:49

So tell us a little bit more about that, like, what did that look like for you to try to do your own heart surgery?

Speaker 3: 32:56

Yeah, I mean think, let's see, there was a time in my life where if I just suppressed what I went through and tried to just move past it with sheer will power, um, I thought that would be okay. So technically, I don't know, that's not even going under the knife, that's just ignoring the problem and bleeding out, right, that's not a way to fix anything, um, and then I think, just like trying to trying to figure it out, sitting there, I spent so much time trying to figure out how all the pieces of my life were gonna turn into something good and I would get so frustrated. I remember just like I would write down like my kind of like a bullet point map of how I wanted ministry to look like, or how I thought maybe you know, god was going to use all my pain and how it would turn into something amazing. And I'm going to be honest, everything I wrote down compares nothing to what he's actually been doing.

Speaker 2: 34:07

Can you say that again?

Speaker 3: 34:14

can you say that again? Um, everything I wrote down from my own, like plans or thoughts of how he could use the pain of my, you know, early, early upbringing, um, and to turn it into something good, everything I wrote down is it pales in. It's nothing compared to what he actually has brought forth and he's not even done. Yeah, there's so much more, but what he has accomplished already through my life, with open you know, just open hands and a heart that simply wants to say yes to whatever he says, um, I never would have imagined what he's doing right now. Never would I have thought I would be able to pursue being a tattoo artist to offer cover-ups to women who truly, truly needed an image, you know, turned into something beautiful yeah, so that wasn't on your original, that was not something.

Speaker 3: 35:09

Yeah, I couldn't have dream dropped that up at all and for him to just pave the way and just keep these the doors open, so that all I had to do is hear his direction and then say, okay, if this is you, you're going to lead the way and it's going to. I'm just going to walk through the doors and he's just kept them open. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 35:35

Well, I want you to touch a little bit on.

Speaker 3: 35:36

I have to figure it out because I hear that a lot.

Speaker 3: 35:38

Yeah, there's no striving. I think there's striving. We're trying to do things on our own strength and our own might. We're trying to make it happen, trying to shove the door open, trying to find the doors. It's like we're always on and always trying.

Speaker 3: 35:57

And the way I've described it, I had come out of a really hard season and I had let go of a lot of things that I thought were going to shape how he was going to do ministry through me and I was in Stephanie Page. A mutual friend invited me to speak at an event and that's where he dropped out sitting in a pew and he dropped the idea in my heart and I was like, wow, lord, okay, I'm gonna, you're saying that I'm going to trust that you're going to lead me to that. I had no idea and I told the Lord. I said I am not going to strive, I'm not going to make it happen, because I know my personality and I love to make things happen. And I told him. I said I'm not going to knock on shop doors, I'm not going to pursue all the options, I'm just going to share with those who you've placed in my heart to share and then, if you, I'm just going to trust that you're going to allow this thing to unfold. And then he did.

Speaker 3: 37:00

And I don't mean it to say that it's easy if you just do this and this, I just mean, like, if he's truly speaking and telling you to do something, we have got to trust that. If he's the maker of all things, what am I trying to say? If he's the maker of all things, right, he's the maker of all things measured, and so everything that is placed in his hands he can supply infinitely right, infinitely greater than we can think or imagine. So I don't have to try to come up with the right, the right measurement, the right portfolio, you know the right amount of money to make it happen, because he's created this idea. So if I just trust all of those, those finite things in his hands with his plan that he whispered to my heart and it's not easy to trust, but there's a letting go, and I think I was at such a point where I had let go of so much. I just was like all right, whatever you want, like I trust you, I can't, I can't fix anything.

Speaker 2: 38:05

Yes, and that's a huge key. Right there is the letting go right.

Speaker 3: 38:14

It opens our hands up to receive and I feel like this piece for me I just in as an artist. It has felt like the biggest surprise gift from Papa God that he's given me like surprise and I love surprises, yeah, from papa god that he's given me like surprise and I love surprises.

Speaker 2: 38:36

Yeah. So such a beautiful story of truly. I mean, you've been prepared for this little did I know that's.

Speaker 3: 38:44

This is something you've been preparing me.

Speaker 2: 38:45

Yeah, I'm like I didn't know I had no idea, right, but now you can. You, can you kind of look back and see how like it makes sense?

Speaker 3: 38:55

I'm like, oh, this makes sense.

Speaker 2: 38:57

And I would say what the what Like? You can't make this stuff up.

Speaker 3: 39:00

No, you can't. I'm like this, it's just yeah, Thank you Lord. Thank you, Lord, that you are in every detail.

Speaker 3: 39:33

Absolutely so, like when you when this idea dropped on you, I'm just kind of curious what initial thoughts you had. Did you immediately kind of go that's you know? Like what was the initial thought that came for you? Because sometimes people can you know the thought it'll catch them, and then they're like, oh, but how? You know, but how can sometimes stop people in their tracks? Yeah, I think as we grow in our faith too, we learn the voice, his voice, and I think I've learned through failing or striving in my own strength, I've learned it's better to just listen. But, like I said, I spoke at an event, event.

Speaker 3: 39:53

I sat down, someone else was up to speak and they were sharing about a survivor and how she had received a brand and they had blown her out to get her brand covered up. And I just I think for me it was I saw an area of need, and then God and and it like dropped in my heart, well, if you see that area of need, why don't you do something about it? And then I thought, well, I totally could if you paved the way. You know, it's just this dialogue, like because I heard about this woman's story and I remember thinking like, why are we flying these women out. Why aren't we doing this here in our state? And so I felt Holy Spirit say well, you can do it. And I think my initial thought was like are you serious? Is this you or is it? You know? You know like is this flesh or is this you? Because sometimes I'm crazy and sometimes the things that you have sound crazy, but they're really like good, yes, yes yeah, but I know I've learned to.

Speaker 3: 41:08

When you hear his voice, and even if he's calling you to something that seems a little out there, there's that peace that comes with it. And I had that peace because I kind of thought about it, you know, weighing it in my mind, like well, if you just led the way I have a piece about this for some reason like there's peace all over this. It makes sense. And so I think if, if he's speaking something and you have a piece about it, then you can for sure trust that he's going to lead the way. I think for us it's the challenge is being patient along the way right, yes, tell us more about that.

Speaker 3: 41:51

I mean, the striving comes with its own agenda, right, and it's in our nature to to make things happen, to work the field. It's part of his, you know, when he tasked Adam to work the land. I think that's now in our nature and our, our call now is, new testament believers is to allow the flesh to, to die that nature. So I think we want to be hard workers but just not allowing the flesh, that impatience, that needing it now, the immediate gratification of now, I think, if we can let that piece die and and allow his, his, his will to, to enter, and I think we're okay with his timeline. I think for me and everyone's story is different, but I, you know, positioned myself in that spot and it happened much faster than I anticipated and that was another level for me of like, oh, what a fun surprise. Thank you Lord, that was efficient.

Speaker 2: 43:03

Wow. So how long was it before? Like you, can you tell us a little bit more, because it sounds like I think you shared with me kind of, how the door opened. But do you mind sharing that testimony? Just to get open handled. You know that the doors will open you know that the doors will open.

Speaker 3: 43:25

Yeah, I'm trying to think, let's see, it must've been early spring that I was I think it was March or April that I had received that thought like, oh, you should's a tattoo artist. But I had mostly was like Lord, I don't want to. I want to see this person. I don't actually want to like sit down and get, get a tattoo apprenticeship, Like I. It reminded me how much I miss this person. And then I also thought, well, I'll ask her at the end of our time together if she knows anybody that is looking for an apprentice.

Speaker 3: 44:12

And I remember specifically asking her for female, because with my background I struggle a little bit working closely with men, working closely with men and, um, she actually said, well, the tattoo industry she said it can be, can be challenging with females, um, but that her husband was actually looking for an apprentice.

Speaker 3: 44:37

And I was like, oh, okay, like that was not exactly what I had thought, but I'm like, okay, like if this is God's door being open, then I need to not be picky either. Um, so I was open to it and so she and him chatted and you know, I talked with my husband because we all want to be on the same page and, after you know, talking and praying, it seemed like a good fit, that well, that was the direction God was leading each of us in. And uh yeah, that's. The apprenticeship then started in August of that year. So from spring to August we all prayed about it, and then August began the apprenticeship, and then this last August, so one year later, I completed my supervised hours and now have the license to be a full-time tattoo artist so incredible, incredible.

Speaker 3: 45:44

Yeah, that's God's hand and his grace, like I, there's it, it's all him. So just give him the glory for that. So good job, good job God.

Speaker 2: 45:52

Go God, seriously, I just want you gals that are listening and maybe some guys are listening, I think mostly gals listening but I just really want you to just take a moment to think about, you know, maybe something that God's put on your heart that you know might look a little crazy but yet you know that it's something he's calling you into. Or this week, um, one thing I did want you to touch on if you're okay with um, I personally have have found and maybe this isn't for everybody and I don't know if this was kind of what you walked out a little bit of but having like not sharing the immediate, like maybe download that he gives you with everybody.

Speaker 3: 46:41

Yeah, you got guarded when it looks crazy.

Speaker 2: 46:45

Quote unquote yeah, Can you tell us maybe what that looks like for you, Because I do, you know, mention to a lot of gals, whether it's gals I work with or just in passing, if you have, you know you're pregnant with something like don't let everybody into your birthing suite thing Like don't let everybody into your birthing suite.

Speaker 3: 47:09

Absolutely. That is so good on a like real literal level, but also a spiritual Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 47:13

Cause I see in pictures too, so it's like, oh, that's what it is.

Speaker 3: 47:19

I think when we you know, just like pregnancy, you get excited with an idea you naturally want to share. But you share with, like when I was pregnant, there's my dog with those closest to you.

Speaker 3: 47:36

You know, first your husband, then family members, then maybe some close friends, then family members, then maybe some close friends.

Speaker 3: 47:49

Um, I think social media has drastically changed our thinking and how we feel like we need to share with the whole world.

Speaker 3: 47:54

Right, it was not, it wasn't like that before, you know.

Speaker 3: 47:58

Um, so I think, just fighting that mindset, I also and I take very seriously that when I say yes to something, even yes, especially yes to a God thing, that I want to be a keeper of my word, and so when I speak something, I want to make sure that those who I'm sharing it with are gonna encourage me toward that rather than deter me from it. And it's very strategic to share with those who are going to encourage you, yeah, so that you can continue on, you know, towards the goal. Um, yeah, because you don't. And even your closest friends like there are people who are going to think that it's crazy even in your friend group and I think, too, just sticking close with the Lord and, um, really guarding, guarding what it's, you know who's going to, who's going to hear. And I also love just I maybe it's a a personality thing, but I love just like doing a thing and getting it done and then, once it's done, sharing it with the world yes once it's complete, you know it's birthed.

Speaker 3: 49:16

We have a new baby, then the world can see it.

Speaker 2: 49:22

You know, like I think that at least in my journey you know I've taken some steps that you know might look really crazy to the world and that's okay, but it's really harnessing. What I like to say is, like the but God said and you're going to have even like you said you're going to, you might have family, you might have even closest friends going, but what if? Like, what's your plan B? Yeah.

Speaker 2: 49:50

But to be so harnessed in, like what is he saying? And those people you've been talking to. It won't even, it won't bother you, it won't stop you. Right Cause you know.

Speaker 3: 50:02

Especially because the things he's asking us to do are usually for the betterment of others. You know why would we allow other people to get in the way of what god's placed? And you know, for us to make a difference in the world.

Speaker 2: 50:18

Well, can I ask you a question because you, um, you know, you are, you know several things out there to bring so much freedom to people and like as a mama and a wife, how do you I don't like the word balance because I don't think that's attainable I also don't like that word, because I don't think you can balance. How do you like kind of juggle? You know how do you um because people might be going. Well, how does she do this? You know how does she do it all and grace of god.

Speaker 3: 50:52

No, but yes um, but my good, um, so I, it's prioritizing, and for me family is always first. If I were to take my priorities and place them in a shape, it kind of is a triangle, so I've got family there's like up towards the top point that points to the sky. That's my top priority. And the two things that are on the lower points and they're equal is art, my art business, and that's Anna for an artwork and illustration, and then the other side of that bottom part of the triangle, I guess, would be remade. They both go hand in hand, they complement each other and my family still comes first.

Speaker 3: 51:47

And no, I don't have God in my triangle, because he is far beyond the triangle. He, he is above, you know, he is above that and he is the one I look for direction. But if I anything outside of those things that he's entrusted me to steward is extra and it's going to cost. It's going to be costly and it's going to take away from those things. My husband says I can be intense and so I think in a way kind of serious. So, just looking at what God has placed in my hands, I take very seriously that I'm stewarding those things, self-discipline, having the self-discipline to aim to focus on those things. It's like I said, it's not easy and it's learned and it's a process and sometimes I have to rein it in a little bit and, you know, again, refocus on those things, but I try to keep those at the forefront of my day-to-day and anything extra and rest naturally comes in those. You have to rest. You can only work from a place of rest. You can't. I feel like working so that you can rest is not healthy. But if you're able to work from a place of rest and that's kind of tricky, but I feel like if you're doing it with God's direction, he would never tell you to work like a workhorse, right? So if you're truly allowing him to be the driver or the director of the whole show he's going to take in mind, you know you being able to work from a place of rest If you're able to work from a place of rest, if you're, if you're able to to do that.

Speaker 3: 53:46

So I think there's a sacrifice in it for me. Like I don't get to socialize as much as I wish I could, um, especially in this season. I I know I've I've got people who probably feel really let down because I can't meet up for coffee as much as they like. But I think too, when God's called you to a next level assignment, you know there's things that you can't carry with you, as you're kind of carrying your cross, so to speak.

Speaker 3: 54:18

So just yeah, not not being we don't get to do the things that the world gets to do, um, but there is still freedom and being able to do the things that God's calling us to do, and I love that I get to do. I get to serve and love my family and I love that I get to create. That's amazing to me and I love that he can use um creativity and just what he's done in my life to make a difference in the life of others. But yeah, he's the general, so got to pray about all things and those things that are on your plate. Whatever those highlight focuses are, he'll walk you through how to steward them and sometimes he'll even ask you to take a break from one of the lower ones. Never take a break from your family unless you need quiet time.

Speaker 2: 55:16

Which we do sometimes, right, we do yes yes, but that's still for your family.

Speaker 2: 55:20

Exactly, it's to fill us back up. So we are, yes, overflow. Yes, I wanted to kind of hit a little bit on, you know, working from rest, and I think we're kind of similarly woven in the ways that we, like I just want to help everybody. Like I could rescue, I could do all, like I had this revelation about a week and a half ago that I want to be involved in all the things, like I would love to be involved in all the things, anything that's like Isaiah 61, like setting the captives free, like sign me up, and I've I've actually personally struggled with that a little bit at times.

Speaker 2: 56:01

I want to do this and I want to do that, but he just showed me like you can't, you can't do all things, you can't do all the things, but you can support the people who are. You can pray for those people, you can. Maybe you can get involved in things once in a while. But I wanted for you to share a little bit about, maybe, your journey of um. Did you ever find that you were not working from a place of rest, and what did it look like for you to? I had my own journey of what I called unwinding from grinding, like seven years ago it was, it felt very violent yeah to come out of that yeah, um, I.

Speaker 3: 56:43

For me it's when I'm not permitting myself to rest or find that time Like. I like to hike, I like to be in creation. That's how I feel his presence the most and that's also when I know if I'm hiking, my body's moving and it's technically exercise. But that for me is very restful and one of the few moments in my life where I can just quiet my mind and just commune. Um, so if I'm not finding time to do that, that is a big sign to me that I am not working from a place of rest, because I'm not actually carving out the time to do that. And then I get in the mindset that if I do X, y and Z, then I can earn my rest, which sometimes in the workday that does help me speed things up, like if I'm actually working, like to play little games like that, like if I'm doing the dishes, I'll be like I'm going to do this as fast as I can and then I can earn what. You know I like that. But if you're doing that all the time, right.

Speaker 3: 58:00

Probably Um, um and then just feeling tired. Um, some days I just feel tired simply because I'm a mom, but there's, it's like a that exhaustion level. Um, yeah, I feel like that because then you're coming from your own strength. I think, too, that need to rush. So if you feel that need to rush and just get things done right away, that might be an indicator that you're not working from rest, because really, if God's in charge and he's got a timeline maybe different than what we envisioned, then we could trust him with that.

Speaker 3: 58:48

Um, I hit burnout one year like five times in a row and I just kept going and I don't know why I did that. I think it's because I was working more under someone than I have in the past and I tend to just, I don't know, I'm a hard worker and I like to exceed expectations, you know, but that I remember my health was actually not doing well. I got pneumonia like like pretty bad that year. My body just wasn't healing. So I think even our bodies can tell us when we're not doing too great.

Speaker 2: 59:37

Yeah, it's like a warning light right.

Speaker 3: 59:40

Yeah, like you're running your immune system down to the ground.

Speaker 2: 59:54

Adrenals and all the things. Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, and it's. It's that, um, I'll never forget. It was probably like seven years ago when I was going through that process. It was so challenging and I've told people before, it was like he had to teach me how to walk again, because I felt like I had to run through life and I would be walking around a lake locally here and I felt like he was just like go sit on that bench. You need to learn how to sit. You're like I'm benching you.

Speaker 3: 1:00:14

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:00:15

Wait what Me.

Speaker 3: 1:00:19

Learning to sit that is good. That is something we have to learn.

Speaker 2: 1:00:25

Yeah, it was like I felt like a child. He's like okay, we're going to teach you how to walk. Yeah, I'm going, but I'm like 40.

Speaker 3: 1:00:35

That is so funny. My daughter's six. She learned how to walk and run real fast. But if I like, teaching her how to sit seems nearly impossible right, she does not know how to sit right.

Speaker 2: 1:00:48

Adults too. That is funny, especially in this like high pace, get it done.

Speaker 3: 1:00:56

I love my instapot oh my gosh, my air fryer too oh, the air fryer too.

Speaker 2: 1:01:01

Oh the air fryer yeah. I mean, these things are great, but when it comes to you know a lot of the things that, um, you know, learning how to walk, like you might be, I felt you know you. You were talking about a workhorse. I felt for a while, even in the last few years, that, um, there's been times that I've been like if I was at a Kentucky Derby, like I was watching everybody run in circles and I was like in the horse gate just hanging out, waiting, resting, and everybody's looking at me like, well, when are you going to go?

Speaker 2: 1:01:35

It's like I'm not, it's not my time yet.

Speaker 3: 1:01:38

He'll let you know. It'll happen. Yeah. And I think too, like all of our paces are different and the way that he are, you know our stories come out through, through action or whatever uh it. They look different and that's that's okay, because it's not gonna look like. What I have in my hands is not gonna look the way that someone else is sharing their story or ministering to people and knowing that he's got something handmade, like, handwritten, unique to your own story, with that only you can walk out.

Speaker 2: 1:02:21

He's got something in mind like just the way that only you could walk it out and and I just want to parallel, you know the sitting, he gave you that download when you were sitting down right, you gotta listen, you can't yeah, he's living better when he's sit right, I often get like a download in the shower or in the car or out in nature is usually where it's like a flood of ideas.

Speaker 2: 1:02:51

But again, yeah, I just I kind of want to parallel for you you know, we, we were talking about this before we got started the creativity and like a couple years ago I I'd heard my spirit like win and more, create. Um, what does that look like for you? Um, you said, when you're going in with um the people that are in jail, like doing this workshop, like what does that look like and how do you help them to? It's just, I just see this level of freedom that they've never experienced before. Because I think for many um, including my own story, a lot of creativity got locked up from when I was a child yeah so what does that look like for maybe somebody listening today?

Speaker 2: 1:03:43

maybe if you could first, uh, share a little of the, maybe, a testimony from that time, you know when you're doing that workshop. I would love to hear. And then, what would it look like for one of the listeners to just start being more creative?

Speaker 3: 1:03:58

Yeah, that's so good. Um, so I mean, there's so many testimonies. I think the most common thing I hear for people is just that they're so in after coming, you know being done with our workshop. They are so encouraged because they they heard directly from God, you know, and I think directly from God, you know, and I think the biggest takeaway, the encouragement for a lot of the people attending is letting them know like they hear from him.

Speaker 3: 1:04:32

He has not turned his ear away, his head away he's. His eyes are still upon them, his ear still leans in and they can indeed hear from God. And I think what we're doing in that space is one we've we. We've done it. I mean we do it for women's conferences, the correctional facility spaces, we've done it in. Let's see where else have we brought it. We've just done public events for the workshop and we partnered with other organizations like treehouse and then some adopt adoptee organizations working with adoptees.

Speaker 3: 1:05:12

And I think the really neat thing that I love is we're facilitating a space where people can work through some simple steps, where they're painting, meditating, praying, and we're allowing them permission, I think, because sometimes we don't know how to. So in that facilitated space they're able to slow down, and our steps in the formatting of our workshop kind of forces us to slow down because we're doing things one step at a time and when there's the first step is like, literally, we listen to a song and we pray, and I think a lot of time people think the first step to anything is to do, and so I guess I wanted to emphasize that the first step in our workshop is to worship and pray and hear from the Father. That's a place of rest. And then step two they're actively painting and they get to create. And we've asked them to think about or ask the Lord to reveal to them a heart wound, is what we call it, something that's hurting them from either a past trauma or something they're currently walking in, and a word that maybe describes the condition of their heart. And so then they paint that on a blank sheet of paper. The sheet of paper represents their heart. And then the third step is another song where they're worshiping, praying and sitting and receiving um, they're hearing from the lord. And then that fourth step they're painting what they heard from that. You know, that time of quiet and that one. We asked them to ask god to show them what the remedy is, what the heart mending piece is.

Speaker 3: 1:07:16

So what's the antidote of the wound? It's usually the opposite. So if someone feels lost, then they would be found. And so then they paint that on a second sheet of paper, on a new sheet, because when we surrender something to God, he replaces it with something new.

Speaker 3: 1:07:35

And then, you know, the final step is my favorite they get to choose. They get to keep one or let go of one. We encourage, we don't force, because the father never forces. He encourages us to discard the lies, so the wound they get to put that in the trash and I see a lot of freedom. That's when a lot of tears come for our attendees and just it's really powerful, and I think that's when it really resonates with them.

Speaker 3: 1:08:03

What does faith look like? Um, so I think our biggest takeaway from people who have taken it in each setting has been one they, they love that they've been able to hear from God himself. And then two, uh, just that last step of letting go is really, really powerful. And my favorite way of ending our time together is just reminding them like the slow down steps that we walked through is actually how you take captive your thoughts and you, you know, fill up your heart and mind with truth and the word of God. And we just kind of brought it in a slow down pace. It's the whole thing is an hour. But if they can remember those steps when the enemy is trying to, you know, do what he does with bringing you down, with his lies or the past, um, they can hopefully remember those steps. And half of that whole process is being in prayer, being in rest hearing and listening from the Father.

Speaker 3: 1:09:17

Um, so that's yeah, that's the workshop, and I think what people really are encouraged by. I have testimonials written down. I think just hearing what people I mean life-changing or I just I'm like I can't. That's amazing, god, that you can change people's lives with this, that's amazing to me.

Speaker 2: 1:09:39

Yes, it's incredible you get to be a conduit of him flowing through you. It's yeah and reminding people they can create I think that was another part of your question is like like what would it look like for somebody to just step, like you know slow step back into that creative process, like do you have maybe an activation or yeah?

Speaker 3: 1:10:04

I mean, I always begin the workshop by saying, like you don't have to be an artist to do this, right, please don't look at your uh, your neighbor's artwork, because it's not a comparison thing. Like, simply just sit down and talk to God. What does he want you to paint? Paint it. It's not about performance, like he truly is just so happy to hang out with you and just, you know, create with you.

Speaker 2: 1:10:30

I I was talking to um Aaron Brown he I interviewed him last week and he's also an artist and worship leader and um he was. He was talking about, you know, art and creativity as well, and I just had this vision of even myself like going to buy some finger paints, like you should. That sounds so bad and because it doesn't have to. It can be messy it does, but it's beautiful because you're actually like stepping into it. I don't know. I I remember like the smell of finger paints is that weird?

Speaker 3: 1:10:59

I remember it too.

Speaker 2: 1:11:00

I don't think that's weird maybe we'll have to get together and have like a finger painting party.

Speaker 3: 1:11:04

I would love a finger painting party.

Speaker 2: 1:11:07

But seriously, like you don't have to even paint, you could do crayons, grab your you can color.

Speaker 3: 1:11:14

Coloring has been proven to be really good for for the mind and just mental health. But trying that space and then, I think, being willing to let go of uh, you know, your perceived expectation for the outcome of your project, um, letting go of that and allowing you to fumble, fumble and awkwardly navigate the materials, because only then are you gonna find what your I always call it a visual voice, what your visual voice will look like.

Speaker 2: 1:11:47

That's a whole word, right there.

Speaker 3: 1:11:49

You just have to. But you have to let go of what you think it needs to sound or look like Did somebody catch that? Yeah, no comparing.

Speaker 2: 1:11:59

Amen. Well, this has been such a beautiful time together and I just love your voice and the ways that you are out there on the front lines. I always love to end the podcast with you know, I do this for the one and if you could just get a vision of usually it's women, like I said, one woman who's listening today. Do you have anything else you'd like to just speak over her specifically and would you say over her today as well?

Speaker 3: 1:12:30

Absolutely.

Speaker 3: 1:12:31

I think just what's on my heart is, if you've been given a rough start, allow God to reveal, reveal his glory well, through your story, by by defeating the odds and, just like david and goliath, right, like the odds weren't there, um, but allow god to really be the one to carry you through. Um, god loves raising up the underdogs. I feel like that is kind of. What's on my heart is just if you have felt like you're kind of the underdog or not been the one to be picked or seen or um acknowledged, or you know things aren't just panning out for you. Um, just be encouraged because God is, god is on your side. He has um plans and purposes over your life that are far greater than anything you can dream up or figure out on your own. Um, and just really allow him to be the one to lead you and guide you and um and heal you so that you can, you can, uh, share that, that power, the power of his healing, in your testimony with others. Um, you know, I think, yeah, I, for those who struggle with depression or suicide. Don't give up. Allow him to carry you through the day and just know that your story is needed. There are people who need to hear what you've been through, and you know there's so much greatness that he wants to reveal through, through you.

Speaker 3: 1:14:24

I just hope that those who struggle with mental health are encouraged, um, and that God truly can touch every, every wound, even the ones that are unseen, the ones of the heart and the ones of the mind as well. So, um, do you want to pray together? Yeah, okay, I'll start. Okay, father, god, I just I thank you for, uh, our beautiful listener, or listeners, and just, um, thank you that you have been in this conversation and I just pray that anything that has stirred on their heart maybe a crazy idea that you've caused them to remember, I just pray that you would continue to breathe your life into it. God, I thank you that you are the author of our lives, the author of our stories and the author of how things come into fruition as well.

Speaker 3: 1:15:19

I pray that this woman, women, women would let go of fear, doubt and whatever lies that hold her back, god, so that she can receive the fullness of your word and your truth, and just knowing that you want to use her to bring people to you.

Speaker 3: 1:15:42

And, god, I thank you that you raise the dead things back to life and if there's dreams that have maybe need to be resurrected, that you would resurrect them today, right now, and that you would renew hope in hers that that she would remember that you, you, are the one to to bring things to life. It's not in our striving or in our willpower, but it's truly your joy to see things come into fulfillment. And just like I received what I call the best surprise gift from you that I've received on earth so far, I just pray that over my dear sisters that they would be just taken aback, maybe at a just surprise, like the treasures that you have set aside for her along the path of life, that she would be looking for them and going at slow enough pace where she would be able to find them and see them, because you love to see us overjoyed with your gifts and your treasures and your surprises along the way, god. So I just pray blessings over her. I just pray life over her and encouragement and just restoration over her soul.

Speaker 2: 1:17:08

I'm going to just start with our anchoring verse over Hope Unlocked. I'm going to pray this over you May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing so that, by the power of the Holy Spirit, you may abound in hope. That's Romans 15, 13. So, thank you for Anna's story, the ways that you brought restoration and, as you are listening today, I pray that you can see your story through her story, through the bits of my story that I've shared, that there is. He's doing a restoration project in all of us and, even if it looks like you know you're walking it out and it doesn't look like the circumstances aren't what you want them to be, he has such a good plan in mind for you.

Speaker 2: 1:18:00

And Lord, we thank you for that. We thank you for the like. Like Anna said, I just see keys just being dropped. Um, there are treasures just waiting to be like treasure chest, just being like waiting on the trail for you to open.

Speaker 2: 1:18:15

Um and as we have talked about resting, I pray. Rest over you today. I pray that you would experience the rest and the soaring that can come from the resting. I believe that you are destined for greatness and he has the best in mind for you. So we thank you again for the work that you've done in both my life and Anna's life, and give us the strength to continue on, especially in these days. We know that we need lighthouses. There are storms around us, but we are called to be a light. We are called to be the hope. We are called to be beacons of love. People need love. So we thank you, lord, for the love that's pouring out from you to us, in Jesus mighty name, amen you, lord, for the love that's pouring out from you to us in Jesus' mighty name, amen. Thank you?

Speaker 2: 1:19:05

Oh, I just feel such like. I feel like we're just releasing peace over this woman today. I don't do you feel it?

Speaker 3: 1:19:12

Yeah, peace and rest and calm. Hopefully to receive clarity.

Speaker 2: 1:19:24

Yes, well, thank you again for just joining me today. Um, we will have you back another time. I will be sure to put all of anna's contact information in the show notes if you'd like to learn more about what she's up to and check out her art and all the things. If you're a local and you're needing a tattoo, go check her out. I, like I said, I had one from her and it is amazing. So thank you for being a brave voice at setting others free, and I will be back with another episode next week. Thank you.