Creative Callings and Divine Connections: Embracing Multi-Passionate Living with Amy Delp

How does a friendship crafted by divine timing foster growth and inspiration? Join me as I welcome my dear friend Amy Delp for an enriching conversation about our God-ordained bond that began in 2018. In this episode, Amy opens her heart about her nearly 30-year marriage and the joys of being a mother to adult children. Together, we celebrate the beauty of being multi-passionate individuals, while emphasizing the importance of finding our true identities in Christ.

Explore the fascinating journey of trusting God's guidance in creative pursuits as we reflect on the "providential accidents" that have shaped our paths. We discuss how embracing a multifaceted identity—balancing the roles of mothers, creatives, and entrepreneurs—can lead to profound personal growth and spiritual development. We also delve into her "businestry", Living in the Fringe, where Amy's heart is to get God's Word into the hands of many through personalized Bibles and thoughtful gifts.

We highlight the power of testimony and faith, sharing moments of personal transformation and the impact of narrating our stories. This episode serves as an invitation to embrace your voice, overcome fears, and recognize the unique gifts you bring to the world, all while trusting in His guidance. Discover how every experience can be redeemed for growth and how, through faith, we can unlock hope and purpose in our lives.

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Amy's book recommendations:
Living Fearless
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Another Valley, Another Victory

Chapters

• 0:16 Unlocking Hope Through Creative Expression
• 19:09 Embracing Multifaceted Identity Through Trust
• 23:23 Trusting Divine Guidance in Creative Pursuits
• 29:17 Journey of Trust and Connection
• 44:52 Discovering and Embracing Our Voice
• 56:03 Finding Victory Through Faith and Testimony
• 1:10:45 Revealing Identity Through Faith and Healing

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:16

Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast. I'm your host, Kristen Kurtz, and I'm also the founder of New Wings Coaching. I help and empower wildhearted and adventurous women of faith feeling caged and stuck, unlock their true purpose and potential, break free from limitations and thrive with confidence, courage and hope. If you're curious to learn more about coaching with me, head to newwingscoachingnet and be sure to explore the show notes for ways to connect with me further. Get ready to dive in as we uncover empowering keys and insights in this episode. So tune in and let's unlock hope together. Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast. I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host. I pray this episode is like a holy IV of hope for your soul. Please help me. Welcome my sweet friend, Amy Delp to the show. I am so excited to have her on today. We decided ahead of time that today was the perfect day to have her on 17th. It's 17 represents victory, and joy is our theme for today as well. So, Amy, could you share a little bit about yourself and then we'll get into the goodness.

Speaker 2: 1:20

Absolutely Well. Hello everybody. Absolutely Well. Hello everybody.

Speaker 2: 1:42

Kristen, I just first want to thank you and honor you.

Speaker 2: 1:44

You have been and, for anybody listening if you don't already know, kristen is a hope unlocker.

Speaker 2: 1:45

She is a life giver and she is my life coach. And so, kristen, I just want to say that your friendship and your ministry and what God has put on your life has blessed me beyond measure, has unlocked things inside of me. I have notes in front of me that I've taken from calls that we've had, so this feels just like a full circle moment where we get to celebrate. I feel like we get a more full vision of what God's like when we bring our gifts together, and so just want to highlight the gifts he's placed in your life and honor you and thank you for going first, for starting a seed cast I love how you call this a seed cast and for blessing so many people with your gifts and your voice, and I just want to say what an honor it is to be here. Oh, and also, I didn't tell you this before, but the Lord showed me this morning in prayer that you are a daughter of discovery, and so I just wanted to speak that over you and maybe we can unpack that later.

Speaker 1: 2:51

Wow, well, I, I have so much I could say about you, but I, I, I don't want to take up too much time, but you have truly been such a catalyst in my life and I truly believe that you know. Our paths crossed back in 2018, 2019, for like for such a time as this, and it's like our friendship is one that I don't even know how to explain it sometimes.

Speaker 2: 3:19

Yeah, it's God ordained.

Speaker 1: 3:20

I mean it's like are you are such an encourager for me as well, Like you've helped me to really, you know, spread my wings and soar, so it's definitely reciprocal, my friend. So I just absolutely love you and bless you in all of your comings and goings.

Speaker 2: 3:43

Thank you. Well, thank you so much for having me on today. I remember when we were dreaming about this and you starting a, a seed cast, and so it's just like God, you're good, god, you are so good.

Speaker 1: 3:59

Only he could do this yeah.

Speaker 2: 4:03

Exactly.

Speaker 1: 4:06

I don't remember what your question was Tell us, tell us a little bit about yourself, and then, um, typically you know it we just kind of flow into to what's next from that.

Speaker 2: 4:20

Yeah, um, this is always a difficult question for me because I feel like I first just want to talk about the Lord and who he is, and then who he's shown me that I am. But just very practically speaking, I am a wife of almost 30 years. Rob and I have been married In July we'll celebrate 30 years and that I have been married We'll be in July, we'll celebrate 30 years and that is a God story. We have three adult children, which is crazy. My oldest and my middle are both married. So we have these two incredible in loves that feel like they've been with us the whole time. And, uh, rob and I have an Aussie doodle named chip and and he's pretty, we call him an awesome doodle. Uh, he's just, I feel like he's one of those dogs you could take. He's not certified or anything, but I feel like we could take him into a nursing home or a hospital. He's like an emotional support doc and he just brings our family a lot of joy.

Speaker 2: 5:32

So we live in northern Indiana and, yes, I have had, I've worn a lot of different hats, as many of us do. I don't like any of those hats to be identities but just hats. So I've been fortunate enough to lead worship. I've done I've taught fitness classes, I've done some writing and some acting and now and I've had a couple of businesses, and so I don't know if we're going to get into that at all, but right now I am, I own my own business and work from home and I'm just passionate about getting God's word out.

Speaker 1: 6:23

Yeah, Well, speaking of that, I mean I would love for you to share one of your endeavors that truly was a mission from the Lord that started within the last how many years, if you could, living dot, dot, dot if you could, living dot dot dot.

Speaker 2: 6:53

Yes. So I guess I kind of want to go back to when you and I met, because I feel like we connected through these, you know, networking or discipleship places where we were in the same communities at the same time and just discovering more of who God had created us to be. And so one of those discipleship groups I don't remember the name of the study we were doing at the time, but I remember where I was sitting and I remember reading the story of the woman with the issue of blood who touched the fringe of Jesus's robe, and that word fringe jumped off the page, so big and I didn't know at the time that it was marking something in my life. But I began you and I share this love of words and digging into the meaning of words and wordsmithing, and so I remember digging into all of the nuances and complexity of this word fringe. For some reason I had no idea why I was doing that then, but it was obviously highlighted and fast forward to December of 2021, I just had this burning desire in my heart for my girls. So I have two daughters and a daughter in love, and I was just beginning to see the stage of life that they're in. They're young women. They are so brilliant, they are so talented, they're so gifted and they have so much inside of them. And I see the world and the way it's going and I just remember being their age and I remember being young and married. I remember being a young mom and I remember feeling so pulled and conflicted and anxious. I remember the messages of the world and I know what happened in my own story when I actually found the Word of God. I grew up in church, I had a wonderful upbringing and I was surrounded by the word, but I didn't discover it personally. I didn't know this living and active book that could actually transform me from the inside out. And so I can remember those days and we can talk about that a little bit more if we go there.

Speaker 2: 9:19

But I began to have this longing, this stirring in my heart for my girls to experience and fall in love with the Word of God the way that I had when I was a young woman in need of truth. And here we were in the midst of a global pandemic and everything was just very chaotic. We all remember just there was a lot of confusion and fear in the atmosphere and I just thought okay, lord, they didn't ask for this gift for Christmas, but I want to gift them new Bibles. How can I make these Bibles so inviting? I guess that was what you know. The cry of my heart was that they would be so in love with these Bibles that they would just want to dig into the beauty on the inside. And so I can remember being in my garage because it was a secret, I didn't want them to know I was working on this project and I would be in this little corner of my garage in Indiana in December, mind you, with a space heater and I would have some worship music playing and I bought all sorts of trim and fringy things and I embellished these Bibles and added these, you know, tassel bookmarks and just just made them very at the time, you know, just very Bohemian looking and fun and colorful, and it brought so we were talking about joy, you know, before we popped on, it brought so much joy personally, to my own soul. I think you know again the world that we were living in then. It affected everybody differently, but what I discovered is tapping into some creative juices actually made me. I found myself like giggling in the garage. I was getting so excited about this gift and just free flowing in it, not trying to follow any pattern or make it look any certain way, but just really embellish these Bibles and make them look fun and inviting.

Speaker 2: 11:39

So Christmas Day rolls around and I remember I was sweating a little bit when they opened these gifts. I had them open them at the same time because I had no idea how they were going to respond. If somebody doesn't ask for a Bible, it's kind of a weird gift to give, maybe, but I just kept praying that God would honor my heart. But I just did not expect. These girls were delighted when they opened their new Bibles and I just remember Christmas Day looking they were all sitting at the dining room table. You know everybody, when they're little they play with their toys and their gadgets and things. But the girls were putting Bible tabs on and you know they had these journaling spaces and coloring spaces in these Bibles and they were just really pouring over them.

Speaker 2: 12:32

And then something kind of crazy happened. The Christmas tree, of course, is up in the corner and they decide to join all three Bibles together and get a little aesthetic picture for the gram and they posted this picture to Instagram, and I had never intended on doing any more than these things for my girls. But once it went out on the World Wide Web, some of their friends slid up on their stories and said, oh my goodness, where'd you get this? And then it was mom, can you make one for so-and-so? And mom, can you make one for so-and-so? And so I wasn't sure about it. I had a lot on my plate at the time. I was involved in several endeavors and I didn't think that I had capacity to add one more thing, but I kept saying yes, and little by little it just continued to snowball.

Speaker 2: 13:37

But I think that that's our human term for it. But really what it was, it was the wind and the grace of God on it term for it. But really what it was, it was the wind and the grace of God on it. And what I realized and it still makes me emotional is that this wasn't just my heart. This was God's heart. He was passionate for His kids to hear and get into His Word and discover who he was. And so my heart to give my daughters something that was truth in a time where we didn't know what truth was—there were so many things flying around and lies and mistruths—to give my daughters truth and to fortify and equip them in something that is steady and unchanging.

Speaker 2: 14:24

That was actually God giving me His heart for His kids, and so that is what I believe was the grace and the wind on this and why it began to just grow and multiply and turn into I like to call it a business tree, because I don't really know how to qualify it business tree because I don't really know how to qualify it.

Speaker 2: 14:50

And so then you bring back the story from that discipleship group years ago, and I remembered the story of the woman who touched the fringe of Jesus's rope and was completely healed and the name living in the Fringe was it was just born and it was like overnight. You know, I was creating a logo and God just continued to download how this could be a ministry where people could have something tangible, a tangible gift in their Bible and it's since expanded to journals and things like that but that they could have something tangible to touch and that they would be drawn in to the Word and that they would find transformation and hope and healing and joy and truth and all of the things that we find in the Word of God. So that's, that's kind of the nutshell story.

Speaker 1: 15:50

And and even the word living, like even during that time, that was definitely a word you know alive and active, that was a very highlighted you know word alive, right, live. You know, even back back then, I don't know if you remember I kept hearing my spirit, like when in war, create, so like when we've. If you look back on history, there's music, there's art, there's so many different creative um expressions that came out of really trying times. Yeah, do you see how that? Like, have you seen how that has really paralleled and you've been able to bring the truth through this, like you said, because he gave you this beautiful idea that was to just start with your girls, but it was really for all of his daughters, like Like this is so beyond you, which is what I love so much about it, you know.

Speaker 2: 16:51

Yeah, I just want to speak to that quickly about the creativity. How did you say that? In war create, in war create, yeah. So I think that there are probably some listeners that are believing the lie that they're not creative, and I just want to break that off of you in Jesus name, and I want to say that the father is the creator and if you are his kid, you share in his DNA and he has given you a specific way to create, um, and so, like I had no idea, this was in me, um, and there are things inside of you.

Speaker 2: 17:33

I think, even from listening to this seed cast today, that maybe you'll start to begin to to feel something or see something and realize our words. Something or see something and realize our words are how we can create. You know there's life and death and power of the tongue, so words are creative. Your work, anywhere that you work, you are creating something. You're creating atmospheres, thing. You're creating atmospheres. So each one of us has this unique, incredible ability from the Lord to create in the places and the capacity that he's given to us. And so, yes, to your point. I do believe that there is a renaissance happening in the spirit right now, where he is putting a wind on creativity and allowing things to be released right now so that I can definitely see parallels and mysteries get unlocked to me, and movies, and so I think those types of things are being birthed. Like you said, songs, it's just. I believe there is a spiritual renaissance happening right now renaissance happening right now.

Speaker 1: 19:09

Well, take us back a little bit. I know you are like such a woman of multi-passion, right? I know some of us think well and I just kind of touch on this because of the things that you've touched in this world, You're a mama, you're a wife, you've been an actress writing music. There's a lot of facets that make up Amy and um, and I don't know if this is maybe something that somebody has heard, that I've heard it before. You can't do too many things, right? Anybody out there hear that before. I would love for you to just kind of speak on that, because for those of us who are multi-passionate, including myself, what would you say to that?

Speaker 2: 20:05

And you know, as you turn that diamond around, you see different facets and different colors, and the word says that we're jewels in His crown. So I just want to speak that over everybody listening that you can be multidimensional and multifaceted, because, once again, that's who the Lord is. We'll never discover the fullness of who he is until we meet Him face to face. But yes, I have struggled with that, like wait a second, but I love this and I want to do that and I feel called to this, and I think part of that is there are certain people. I look at, the Apostle Paul, and he would be sent on assignments and missions and he would be very specific for very specific times and seasons, and then he would kind of know when the Lord was leading him somewhere else, and so I do identify with that.

Speaker 2: 21:03

I also think that there are some of us that you know from the time we learned what a teacher was, we knew that we were going to be a teacher, and so that was the thing that we poured all of our energy into, and we, you know, did that with our whole heart, and I think that is so honoring as well. And so it's just we are. We are this mixed bag of beauty that the Lord just says. No two are alike. But also I think that each one of us does have a true identity and that out of that true identity we can go and do multiple different things and we're always going to flow from that place of our true identity. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1: 21:49

Yeah. So if you kind of look back on Amy when you were younger, is there was there kind of an all encompassing theme in your life that you could even like you're seeing it come into your, the fullness of you, who you are now?

Speaker 2: 22:05

Yeah, I wish I could lock in on one theme. I don't know right now that I can lock in on one theme, but the Lord did give me kind of this phrase that makes me chuckle, and it's like accidental, providential or providential accidents and I say accidents with air quotes because I don't know that I'm smart enough to pick up on what I'm supposed to do, but he leads me into these things and it's not like I mean to do them, and then I just see his hand all over it, and so I've just learned maybe the theme is just trust that I trust Him because he figures things out much better than I know how to, and so prime example would be the business living in the fringe. I did not set out to start a business, I did not have a business plan, I never imagined that this would be part of my story, but because God's hand was on it, I trust him and he's, you know, he's done the work and I get to just partner with him, and so the same would be true. I can remember being in high school and taking a theater class for an easy A, truly, I mean that's the truth, and I loved it. It was a blast. I loved the teacher and got to meet some people in high school that I wasn't running in the same circles with, and so that was really fun.

Speaker 2: 23:45

And I tried out for a musical my senior year and at this point barely anybody in my high school knew that I liked to sing. That was something that I did in my bedroom, right, sometimes at church, and so all of a sudden I auditioned for this musical because that's what we did in theater class, and I landed a role, and so I played Adelaide in Guys and Dolls. Well, this was like a character that was so fun to play I mean, she's just a hoot and I had so much fun even portraying her because she was so opposite of who I felt like I was. But anyway, somebody came to this little high school production and thought that I needed to maybe have an acting scholarship in college. And I say that just in all humility, like, did I mean to do that? No, I don't even know how I was, I don't even feel like you know, I wasn't schooled in that. I, like I said, I had a great teacher, I had fun in class, um, but all of a sudden, my freshman year of college, here I am with an acting scholarship which requires me to be in a, you know, a show each four years, all four years of my undergrad. And so, um, acting is something that was like just this providential quote, unquote accident. I didn't get into it because I started as a little girl saying I want to be an actress, but I trust the Lord.

Speaker 2: 25:26

Singing was a little bit the same. I remember being in college and some friends and I decided we wanted to sing in chapel one day and that turned into a little singing group. And then there was a church starting in our community about that time and we were invited to come and lead some worship. They were meeting at the college at that point, and so we were invited to lead some worship. They were meeting at the college, and so, um, at that point, and so we were invited to lead some worship, and that turned into 20 years of worship leading in my life. And again, it's just, I can't make this stuff up, I didn't force this. This is the hand of God, um, that that knows me better than I know myself, and I just trust him.

Speaker 1: 26:15

Yeah, that's a huge key for somebody today. Like, could you, could you just even share a little bit more about that trust aspect? Because, you know, for those who are maybe in business or, you know, building a ministry, you know there can be striving, can come into it at times. Right, yeah, maybe we don't trust his timing, Maybe we don't. Um, we're following the world's ways. You know there's different facets that can come in and I would love for you to go a little deeper on that. I feel like that's really being highlighted, um, for somebody today to just maybe hear more of that journey of trust.

Speaker 2: 27:00

Yeah, trust in the Lord with all your heart. Lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways, acknowledge Him and he will make your path straight. So I certainly have fallen into striving and performance and pushing and hustle and all of the things that the world shouts we need to do. Oftentimes, you know we can be in environments, work environments, groups, communities that that is the anthem and it's really easy to get sucked up into it. For me, I have to quiet the noise and and each one of us is different but trust is really a a full lean, right like it's a full lean on something that is going to hold us, um, and that's what I'm seeing right now. And and so the word says that from him are all things and through him are all things and to him are all things. So, basically, anything and everything that we could do, should do, are destined to do, comes first from him anyway. He is the source, and so anytime I have gone to something else as my source someone else's advice, a book, something that's outside of God being the source and the one who gives me whatever it is and wants to do through me that is when I kind of get off track. So, from him are all things. Lord, is this from you? That's one way I feel like I've learned. I'm learning still, I'm still learning this, but, lord, is this from you? And and then, lord, is this something you want to do? You want to do through me? I had a to do. You want to do through me? I had a.

Speaker 2: 29:17

This might sound a little crazy, but to those of you that are visionary or you know, thinking pictures, he gave me just this picture the other day of a wetsuit and I'm not a surfer, I'm not, you know, I don't, I've never even worn a wetsuit, let's just say that. But he gave me this picture of a wetsuit and what it was was like that. The wetsuit is like me. I am the body or the vessel, let's say the container, the vessel, and I want him to put me on. So, whatever he wants to do, he can use this jar of clay, he can use this body, he can just put me on like a wetsuit.

Speaker 2: 29:59

But I want his hand to fill in the hands, I want his heart, his body to so fill me to capacity that people don't see me. They see him walking in right. And so from him are all things, through him are all things and for him. So then, lord, will this thing actually point people to you? Will it actually you know the full circle moment? Will it make me look good? Will it put me on a pedestal? Will it flatter me? Or, god, will it point people back to you? And this is you know? This is something, like I said, I'm still learning, but those are questions that I filter through. As far as trust goes, so beautiful.

Speaker 1: 30:53

I love how you articulated all of that, because I think for some they question like well, am I on the right track? How do I know I'm on the right track? Maybe I don't hear his voice. I feel like I'm supposed to go this way and then I get to the end of the trail and I'm like where did I just go? Have you had moments like that in your walk, where you just I don't even know, sometimes like we can ignore him because we think our way is maybe better? Ask me how. I know I mean, we've all done that. But to those who maybe are just like you know, I don't know how do you navigate that?

Speaker 2: 31:38

Somebody's maybe asking yeah, oh, man, I just okay. First I just want to say he is so gracious, he is so kind, he is so loving and long-suffering and he knows how we are prone to wander and his kindness leads us to turn around, to come back to him. And I have experienced that time and time again, time and time again, and I think it's just really really understanding his heart and knowing what he's like that gives us permission to fail forward, permission to redirect, permission to you know, repentance is just turn around and go back toward Him. And so, yeah, I've experienced that. But even in that, the Word says that he works all things for the good of those who loved Him and are called according to His purposes.

Speaker 2: 32:46

And so I can even look at some of the times that I've been striving or that I've gone in a direction, because my flesh is being fed, it's so exciting and I just want to do it and I'm not really seeking the Lord, I'm not really following and trusting Him. And then I look back and, yeah, anytime you're apart from Him, it doesn't feel good. He never leaves us. But we can kind of stray a little bit off path.

Speaker 2: 33:09

And anytime you're apart from him, it doesn't feel good, he never leaves us, but we can kind of stray a little bit off path and it doesn't feel good, and so you know that I don't like that feeling. But knowing that his kindness is always like this magnet that pulls me back to plum, that pulls me back to his heart, and knowing that his heart is always there, arms open wide Again, it's all. He's the source, everything comes from him. So, apart from him, I can do nothing. Apart from him, yeah, I might be able to do something in my own strength, but it's not going to have that lasting impact. That fruit that continues to bear seed and multiply it's, it's going to fall flat.

Speaker 1: 33:59

I don't know if I answered that accurately, but Well, and I, and I like to say, you know, wherever we go, like it's not for not there is. I don't know about you, but for me, me, I've found that, even if I overstay my welcome sometimes, if that makes sense, like there are people that, um, you know, to me it's the people that. I along the journey and um, I, I, I interested, interestingly enough, when you were talking about Paul and how he would be led on these. You know, adventures is what I'll for me.

Speaker 1: 34:39

I like adventures, but it's almost like this time, like you're brought in on this mission and then the door closes and for me personally, I'm starting to become quicker to know when the time is closing. Doors are closing, doors are opening. Can you talk a little bit about that, where you know we have a lot of opportunities in this world to be part of things. Right, there's distractions. There's so many different things that we could be involved in. How do you keep from? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 35:22

Yeah Well, first of all, I'm just so glad that you said people, because that's actually, aside from just his kindness leading us back to him it's like he's been able all things work together for the good he's been able to show me. But while you were over there, you connected with so-and-so and you wouldn't know them had you not been there, and so I'm going to redeem even that veer off the path. I'm going to redeem that because I've connected you with somebody that you know is part of your story, and so he's just so good and so, okay, what was your question? Sorry, Kristen, I was just so glad that you said that because I forgot to mention that.

Speaker 1: 36:09

Both of us were very much connectors. We love sharing people and resources. So there's a, there's a very strong reason that he brings us into places. Um, and I I would just say for you as well, like I'm kind of a bridge and sometimes the drawbridge closes and the people all go, they stay, and then I'm called to maybe go somewhere else, right, um, but how do you stay? Um, you know we have so many distractions. How do you stay focused? Um, especially in this time, I feel it can be so easy to be so distracted. Um, how do you, how do you order? And maybe this is just coming like how do you keep him first and foremost in your life? Um, being that you have, you know, living in the fringe. It's a business street. How are you really setting the pace and staying in this, you know, relationship with the lord first and foremost, amidst all of the distractions.

Speaker 2: 37:12

Right. Well, I don't always do it well, but one of the things that has helped me is, like I started to say, quieting the noise. So you and I both experienced this, where you feel like the Lord is calling you away to just kind of get off of social media for a little bit. Quiet the noise so that his voice becomes a little bit louder and there are not so many distractions. So that has been huge. Life coaching has been a big part of that, because sometimes other people can see things, can see the gold in you that you're not quite able to see yet, can see the gold in you that you're not quite able to see yet. They can see some things about you that you haven't locked into yet. So I know that through seasons of just becoming, in fact, one of the things I feel led to share is that in those times of being quiet with the Lord, I will ask him who do you want to be for me today? Or what characteristic, what attribute of yourself do you want to show me about you today? What do you want me to know about you? And so oftentimes he will highlight something like in the word I love the one year Bible, by the way. I could talk about that for a minute, but I won't yet, and so he'll highlight something about himself. Last night he highlighted I am the door. Okay, john 10. I am the door, all right, so you want me to know? You are the door. And then, lord, what do you want me to know? You are the door. And then, lord, what do you want me to know about myself today? And so it's this who question, lord? Who are you and who do you say that I am? And you can only do that in relationship, in that conversation with him, where you're in his word and you're listening, and you're listening for his voice. And so then, in times that I've asked these questions, he will highlight things to me. And I've started a list on my phone, and I actually call it Amy's declarations, because I forget. I forget what he said about me, I'll forget what he said about himself, and I want to keep track of that somewhere. And so I keep this record on my phone.

Speaker 2: 39:46

And it's oftentimes, and also through life coaching things, kristen, that you've called out in me that I'm like whoa. I never saw that about myself, but that resonates with my spirit. Thank you, lord, for highlighting that to Kristen to share with me. So sometimes it'll come through other people, through his word, hearing his voice in a song, and I keep track of that and I keep track of that. And then when an opportunity comes my way or something is just super enticing maybe all of my friends are doing it or it's like you said, the distractions. There are just so many things vying for our attention, for our time, which is so valuable, and so many things I want to do and people I want to be with, and so sometimes I'll come back to those declarations.

Speaker 2: 40:39

I'll be like but God, who do you say that I am and what have you put inside of me? And how can I like, does this align with this list of things you've said that are true about me? Does this align? And that doesn't mean like sometimes there's not a right or wrong answer. Sometimes I remember talking to a friend one time. She was like I don't know if I should do this or that, and I'm like I don't think God cares, like I just think he's a good father and he's like if you want to work at the ice cream shop, work at the ice cream shop, and if you want to work at the sandwich shop, work at the sandwich shop, like sometimes.

Speaker 2: 41:17

I don't think it has to be so complicated, but I do believe that there are certain things that are so in line with our true identity, and so for me, it's good to have that place to come back to and go. Okay, God, what have you said? And so for me, it's good to have that place to come back to and go. Okay, god, what have you said? Let me hold it up to the truth of your word, of who you are and what you've said I'm here to do because I only have so many days here on earth. I want to make the most of these days and I want to spend everything you've put inside of me. So does this align, and that's been helpful for me.

Speaker 1: 42:00

That's so good. You know I was. I was just envisioning, you know, this list that he's given you and it's, it's in for everybody, Like it's endless right.

Speaker 2: 42:06

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 42:06

Yeah, but is there something that came for you, if you're open to sharing, that you were kind of like surprised by, or maybe you had not thought of, or even you were kind of like, oh really. About myself About whom he revealed to you. Can you remember that you've just really been like wow, I'm going to really like I love that.

Speaker 2: 42:36

It's a key. Well, I love, I love names and, um, I think for me what has been so sweet is I had a bookmark when I was a little girl and it had my name at the top and then it had the meaning of my name. And maybe you guys had something like that if you grew up in the 80s, but I remember that being in my dresser and so I kind of always knew what my name meant. But now, even to this day, I love to look up the meaning of names and like just find, go deeper into that.

Speaker 2: 43:14

Um, but when I was about to get on a coaching call, I remember with you one time, kristen, you sent you always send a song before a coaching call and you sent this song called beloved, or is it called I, I am my beloved. I don't remember the official title of the song, jonathan Helser and I just caught this smile on my face because it was a love note from the Lord. Because, yes, amy means beloved, but also, if you're a child of God, if you're in Christ, that is who God calls you he calls you beloved. And so it was like this moment where the physical, the natural, met the supernatural, and he was like I want to show you the fullness of your belovedness, and so that song was just so on time and ministered so deeply to me, and I don't think you knew that my name meant beloved. But yeah yeah.

Speaker 2: 44:24

And so that's when you know, it's the spirit of God just moving and confirming and affirming things, and so I will. Oftentimes, even when I'm reading the Word or just in conversation with the Lord, I love to just be called that. There are scriptures that say Belo. They start by saying beloved, because that's what we're all called. But that's just one example of something I have on my list as a reminder. He loved me before I even knew what love was. We can only love because he loved us first. And so, once again, in the kingdom, we receive first.

Speaker 2: 45:21

So God is love and he's the source. From him are all things. So he pours his love out on us through Christ. He calls us the beloved, and then from him, through him and then to him, are all things. Then we can go and we can release that belovedness on others, release the love of God that's come from him first. So oftentimes we go out right and we're just like, let's say, the Bible says I need to love people, so I'm going to try really hard to love people, but we forget oh wait, first I have to be loved. I'm the beloved. So that's one of the first things on my declaration list is God is love and he calls me to be loved, beloved, first, so that I can go and love.

Speaker 1: 46:18

Yeah, and would you say, like even in our world, that there is a be loved, beloved, beloved like epidemic. There's a cause I think of. I often think of love your neighbor as yourself, and how many people truly don't even love themselves because they aren't getting that inflow IV of love from the father Right.

Speaker 2: 46:48

Right, yeah, we can't give what we haven't first received. And so, if you know, if you're listening, and you have not ever encountered and fully received the love of the father, I just want to speak that over you. That his love is, it doesn't change, it's not dependent on your performance or what you do. You don't have to please anybody. You get to just be a daughter, you get to just sit in his lap and receive this perfect love. And what happens is this perfect love, perfect love. And what happens is this perfect love. It's so full, it's like a feast. It's like when you sit down at a table and there is a feast of all your favorite foods and you get to consume all of these beautiful, amazing foods, and you're so full there isn't room for anything else. That's what perfect love is it's fullness, it's complete.

Speaker 2: 47:55

And so I just pray right now for anybody listening, that you would imagine this feast and that you would just experience and be able to fill up on the perfect love of God. And the Word says that it's so full that it pushes out fear, that it's so full that it pushes out fear. And so, kristen, to your point, I think that what we experience in our world, in the atmosphere F-E-A-R, there's so much fear around us and what it really highlights is a lack of perfect love, because perfect love is the only thing that can push, drive out, cast out fear. So I just I speak that um fullness, that love of the father over your listeners today, um, and we don't have to worry about the fear thing, because the perfect love does the kicking out.

Speaker 1: 48:53

Yeah, I mean, there's been so much. Again, it could be. It's a distraction. Fear is trying to take you off a path of potential. Like for me, for the voice, at times there was fear that would come when I would try to use my voice. But we need our voice and I, you know, for you, like I would say, if you guys were just listening to Amy she has such a gift of literally bringing words to life I can see just this picture as she's talking. So your voice, like all of us, it's so integral with our voices in this world. So I I feel like can we just kind of segue a little bit into your voice and what that's looked like for you? Because it is all like all the things um, singing, um, you know the words that you speak. You bring life to people, right, life and love through your words. So what does that look like for you to release your unique voice? Has there been anything that's tried to keep you from living it out to the full?

Speaker 2: 50:15

Uh yeah, um, there've been so many things and at the root of it, you know, we, we have an enemy. He's real and he hates God, um, and, and so he comes after God's kids, because how do you want to hurt somebody? Come after their kids, and and so and he is the father of lies had to confess and repent of is that I'm voiceless and that nobody wants to hear my voice. And look, we've talked about some of the gifts that God places inside of us, but here's the other reality. I was a stay-at-home mom, but here's the other reality. I was a stay-at-home mom, and that is an interesting space to be.

Speaker 2: 51:20

I felt voiceless most days, even in environments that were very healthy and abundant, like my home. Growing up, my parents were in full-time ministry and they both went around and shared the gospel and they spoke and evangelized. My mom's a teacher, my dad's more of an evangelist, and so they both had these powerful voices. But even in an environment like that, I believed a lie that I was voiceless because I could just kind of hide, I could kind of just go low and not have to say anything because my parents were out front saying all of the things. And so there's, you know there's the enemy is crafty, talk about. He's not creative, he can't create, he will counterfeit, he's not creative, but he is crafty and he will scheme and he will look for ways, in good and in bad environments, to plant lies and weed seeds in the soil of our hearts. And you think of a weed. And what does a weed do? It chokes. It chokes life. And so these lies that we believe it's interesting.

Speaker 2: 52:41

I'm getting a word picture. I'm not proficient in gardening. I've never really been good at it. I'm learning, see, I'm trying not to speak negative things over myself. I'm learning. But in our backyard landscaping we've got, you know, just some hydrangeas and hostas and things going on. See, I'm learning the names.

Speaker 2: 53:19

All of a sudden this year this weed pops up and this thing was so invasive that, like overnight, it would just be crazy. And it's not only crazy ground covering, like covers the mulch, but it wraps around each stem of, like my hydrangea bush, all the way up to the flowering part. Stem of like my hydrangea bush all the way up to the flowering part. And, and not only that, but this weed is so pervasive and aggressive that it started to like bleed into my neighbor's yard and get into her grass. So my mom was over and she took a picture of it and she found it online and sent me a text and said this is what it was called.

Speaker 2: 53:59

And so we started to do a little research, my neighbor and I. And how are we going to get rid of this weed? Because, trust me, you pull it and it comes right back. It's crazy, and I can't even remember the name of the weed, but I just remember the nickname was devil's tongue, I'm not kidding, and it looks like a, like a little pointy tongue and like that's the picture I'm seeing right now of what the father of lies does. Like it's, it's this weed seed that gets planted in the soil of your heart and it, just overnight, it seems to take over and it wraps around every area of your life to choke the life out of you, and these lies will literally keep you silence, and I know that they have for me for years and years and years and years, and I have to fight that thing. So, anyway, that was the word picture coming from me.

Speaker 1: 55:00

Wow, like I, truly I I'm seeing. I hope you guys are seeing it too, because it is such a visual representation of um. You know he sees us blooming and yet this devil's tongue is trying to like, like, literally, like we've talked about this before Like I for years felt like there was a choke hold on my throat. So what does it look like for you to become Cause we, you know, we, we actually wasn't it a becoming like board workshop? Didn't we do something like that to help women, like really see the becoming process? Didn't we do that? Yeah, maybe, anyways, but it's this becoming process. So, as you become, maybe more, what am I trying to say? As you've become less voiceless, right? What does that look like for you, like, how have you overcome in this area?

Speaker 1: 56:03

and are still overcoming.

Speaker 2: 56:05

I love that you just asked that question because I remember when you started this you said today was the 17th and 17 is the number of victory. And so there's a scripture I think it's Revelation 12, maybe 15. I don't know, You'll have to check me on that, but it is we overcome by the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony. It says they overcame by the blood of the lamb the word of their testimony and says they overcame by the blood of the Lamb the word of their testimony and they didn't love their lives so much that they were afraid to die. And so, in the kingdom of God, I believe that overcoming the lies of the enemy first, there's nothing more powerful than the blood of Jesus and the name of Jesus, than the blood of Jesus and the name of Jesus. And when we begin to tap into that and understand what's been given to us, what our inheritance is, what we can walk in and use, it's beautiful, the covenant is beautiful, and so the blood is powerful and it speaks a better word over us. So, whatever that lie is the word of God. Who is Jesus? The word became flesh. Jesus is the word of God. He is the living, breathing Logos and the word of God in the written expression. There is a better word for each one of us inside of the word. So, whatever that lie is, I would say, go to the word and ask for the better word and we overcome by the blood of the lamb. And then the word of our testimony.

Speaker 2: 57:50

So, Kristen, you giving an opportunity for people to share what God's done. That's what our testimony is. Another word for testimony is song. There are songs of deliverance, there are songs of healing. There are stories that need to be told, because when you share your story, it builds my faith and it helps me to release the sound, the song that God's put inside of me. So they overcome by the blood of the lamb. The word of their testimony. You've offered a platform for people to actually walk in this victory because they're able to share what God's done. And then, lastly, that scripture talks about not loving their life so much that they're afraid to die. And I think that that is something that I'm just beginning to learn more about that Christianity isn't self-help, it's actually come and die.

Speaker 2: 58:52

Jesus, take the wheel right. It's, you know it's Jesus. Take the wheel right, it is. I surrender, I lay my life down. I've been crucified with Christ. It's no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me, and every day of my life I am overcoming and walking in victory as I die to myself and I'm raised to life with Him. When I go through suffering, I actually identify more with Him and start to look more like Him. And when I go through valleys, he meets me in those valleys and he becomes that door that takes me to hope. And when I'm in places that are just, His hand is all over Him. I can share that story and he gets the glory and he gets the credit, and I don't. It's not about me anymore. Like you can, you can kill me, but you can't. You can't kill what God's done. You can't kill the word of God and the work of God in my life, and that will last forever.

Speaker 1: 59:55

Yeah, oh my gosh. Well, I wanted to, so it's Revelation 12, 11.

Speaker 2: 1:00:01

Okay, thank you.

Speaker 1: 1:00:03

The whole chapter Revelation can be a little challenging at times, Would you agree?

Speaker 2: 1:00:11

Yeah, oh, a hundred percent, yeah People would agree.

Speaker 1: 1:00:15

Um, but yes, the testimony and we, we are a living testimonies yes, so if you look back at your life, um, where have you seen like some of the most beautiful, like transformation happen, that you could literally like people would be like, wow, that's amy would never expect that, does that make sense? Like where he could only do that thing.

Speaker 2: 1:00:54

Yeah, well, I'm going to go back to um, being a young mom feeling overwhelmed, okay. So I wasn't feeling like I was walking in victory. I was feeling voiceless, powerless. I believed the lie that I was alone. I couldn't possibly measure up to all of the expectation, I couldn't possibly perform or keep a level of performance to keep everybody happy, because I believed the lie that I wasn't lovable unless I performed or pleased people, unless I performed or pleased people.

Speaker 2: 1:01:33

And and I remember it's funny, I had, we had this red chair in our living room that had a grapevine pattern on it. It sounds kind of atrocious right now, but back then it was like it was really cool. And and the only time I had to read to get in the Bible was when the kids were asleep. And I remember like I was wide awake for whatever reason at night probably hormones and and I would just turn on that chair or turn on the lamp by that chair and I would sit there in silence, right, because it's so hard as a young mom to find moments of silence. And I remember saying to the Lord all right, I was raised in church, I memorized scripture, I was raised in a Christian home. But I want you to start from scratch with me. Like I just want you to pretend I know nothing and I want to be a disciple, like I just want to be in that gaggle of guys you know, like hanging out with Jesus, and I want you to teach me be my rabbi. Like, just teach me everything I need to know, my rabbi. Like just teach me everything I need to know.

Speaker 2: 1:03:01

And so many Bibles have the words of Jesus written in red and I focused there. So I started in the Gospels, in the book of John, and I spent a significant season of my life in the red letters. I like to call it so. It's kind of like the red chair, the red letters, like I can just remember it so vividly. And just in that season of my life I felt like Jesus became so real to me. He was the kindest, most compassionate, most radical, savage. I just thought he was so cool when I was reading these stories and of course they're supernatural. He's healing and delivering people, but he also just has this compassion about the way that he moved and lived His life and then he would drop these messages that he always was telling.

Speaker 2: 1:04:02

Story called parables. In the Gospels he used story to illustrate deeper meanings. Well, that's how God's wired me. I learn from stories, I understand mysteries about the kingdom, that's why I love movies so much. So, anyway, I just remember these stories would come to life to me, and then I'd have these big aha moments and I would say that's why I was so passionate about my girls falling in love with the Word of God.

Speaker 2: 1:04:32

Because in that season of my life I experienced more transformation just by being in his presence, being in his word, and I didn't really understand the word abide back then. But now, when I think about that grapevine pattern on my chair, I think of I'm the vine, you are the branches. Remain in me, abide in me. Apart from me you can do nothing, but with me you'll bear much fruit. And that is a season in my life that Jesus just became so real, such a real part of my life. He was everything. He was my counselor, he's my friend, he was my husband, he was everything to me, and I know that, that there was a marked difference in my life.

Speaker 1: 1:05:21

Um, at that point, I love that you spoke to that time in your life too, as a stay at home mom and I'm sure that there's going to be some stay at home-home moms that might listen to this that maybe are even asking, like, well, how do I find time to to fit in reading the word? I'm so tired. I'm nursing my baby. You know, this is just what I'm right. Like. What would that? Like, what would you say to her? Maybe she needs a fringe Bible first of all?

Speaker 2: 1:05:58

Oh, what would I say to her? You are exactly where you're supposed to be. You are living fully in your purpose and in your destiny, what you're doing right now. Even Kristen, you brought up that, um, that imagery of a mother nursing. That's what you get to do, mama, when you um, when you're nursing your baby. I want you to think of that imagery of you going to El Shaddai, to the Lord, and, and you get to lay on his chest and you get to get filled up. And sometimes that just means, yeah, getting up late at night when the baby's nursing. Sometimes it means you're driving in the car and you've just got some music going and you are just receiving whatever that message is in that spirit-filled music.

Speaker 2: 1:06:57

Going for a walk, I used to take the kids gosh when they were little. We had a double stroller. It was like a double jogging stroller my sister-in-law gave me and a backpack, so three kids. But it was like that was time that I could just walk and pray and sing. Sometimes we would sing.

Speaker 2: 1:07:20

It doesn't have to look one certain way. We have access to so much with our smartphones. You know, you can listen to the Bible on different apps, you can listen to devotional readings. But I would just say don't do what I did For the first part of my life. I wanted so much information, and it's not about information, it's about transformation, right? So just whenever you have that space or you can make space to receive, just ask the Lord what do you, what do you want to say to me, what do you want to show me, what? What do I need today? Because you know better what I need than even I know. So I'm going to ask you from your glorious riches right, we have everything we need according to his glorious riches I'm going to ask you to fill me like I'm that baby at your chest. I'm going to ask you to fill me with everything I need today and then you just keep going in that rhythm with him.

Speaker 1: 1:08:30

Well, can I ask you one question before we close up? What has been one of your most impactful books that you've read, besides the Bible, of course? Yeah, can you think of one that's really impacted you along the way?

Speaker 2: 1:08:51

I actually. Is it okay if I say two yeah?

Speaker 1: 1:08:55

Right I love if I say two yeah, right, I love, just you know yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:08:59

Thank you. A couple of years ago, a friend introduced me to a man named Jamie Winship. He's written a book called living fearless and this book is a very good guide on teaching us how to abide and how to really hear from the Lord and, more specifically, how to hear what is that true identity that you've written into my life. That's unique to me and nobody else, and so I feel like that book has been really transformative for both my husband and myself, and so I would say, men and women, I would recommend Living Fearless by Jamie Winship. And then recently another friend introduced me to a book called Soul Care by Rob Raymer, and so, when we talked about the landscaping and the weeds and all of that, this book is such a great walkthrough to just keeping your soul healthy, keeping the soil of your soul healthy, and uprooting the lies and filling up with the truth and walking in just transformative truth.

Speaker 1: 1:10:25

So good. Well, I will be sure to grab those titles and authors and put them in the show notes, because I feel like somebody out there. I will definitely attest to Living Fearless. I love Jamie Winship. I have not read Soul Care yet, but that would be definitely one to add to the list.

Speaker 2: 1:10:44

I think those are both books. Maybe the best word for me to describe is if you feel stuck. If you feel stuck. Those are both books that have been unlocking for me.

Speaker 1: 1:10:57

I think everybody has a measure of being stuck in one area of their life at least. Right we're not.

Speaker 2: 1:11:04

Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 1:11:06

It's always unlocking us from different places. So, oh, so good. Amy, you've been such a blessing on here today. I would love for you to first of all share um, do you have anything that you would want to specifically point people to that you're doing right now?

Speaker 2: 1:11:27

So, yes, uh, my son was gracious enough to set up a website for my business street. It is, um, wwwlivinginthefringecom, and I always try to have ready to ship gift items available on the website for people who are like I just need something, you know, next week. Um, one of my favorite things to do is custom work, and so if that's something that sounds interesting to you, you can fill out a form on my website and I would love to help you find a Bible that is approachable. I love in the story of the woman who touched the fringe of Jesus's robe. I love how approachable Jesus is in that story, and so the way I parallel that is, I want your Bible to feel so approachable and for you to feel like you understand what you're reading and so I can help you navigate what.

Speaker 2: 1:12:30

I've worked with a lot of Bibles hundreds and so I can help you maybe try to find a Bible that feels approachable to you, and then we can embellish it with your favorite colors, themes, things that are really meaningful to you. I like to add to the tassel bookmark, I like to add charms, and so we can customize those. Custom orders are just a delight because I get to know both from you and from the heart of the father who you are, and so that would be my joy to do custom orders. I also, kristen, just would love to release to your listening audience a discount code. Is would that be okay? Okay, so, if you're on the site, um, when you go to check out, you can use hope unlocked 20 and that will save you 20 on anything you order he's.

Speaker 1: 1:13:32

So, amy, oh my gosh, you guys definitely go check out her website and, as far as I do want to ask this too, okay, the Bibles that you've created, or the tassels, I would love for you to like share a testimony of somebody who's received something that you've created with the Lord. Can you share a recipient testimony if it might be something that you feel would be public?

Speaker 2: 1:14:02

Yeah, that's what I'm struggling with. I did do a custom design last year and I try to sit with the Lord and just ask Him okay, with everything they've told me about themselves and all of this information I have, do you have a word for them? And the word I got for her was watered, was watered, and I believe it's in Isaiah that there's a scripture about you will be a well watered garden and she loves flowers and we had added some flower accents and things to her Bible and there are a lot of stories. For some reason, this is one that's really coming to the forefront and I think that when she received her Bible, she, um, she expressed, you know that she was just delighted and it's exactly what she wanted, but I don't think she fully understood, like the, the fullness of what watered meant.

Speaker 2: 1:15:13

And so she reached out to me months later and she was like you would not believe how many times like this has been proven true and I'm just so grateful that you know the Lord gave you this word. I try to name, you know, the creations, because the Lord does that right, like he put Adam and Eve in the garden and gave them the privilege of naming things, and so I like to give names to things that are created and she was like I'm so glad that you named it this, because he just keeps showing me what this means and bringing more fullness and understanding to it. So some of it I'm just partnering with him. I don't always understand, but he brings that fullness and revelation.

Speaker 1: 1:16:02

You create, you send out and then he does more work.

Speaker 2: 1:16:08

Right, yeah, and that's just it. The Bible says when His word goes out, it does not return void, but it will accomplish the purpose for which it's sent. And that is one thing. I actually walk to the post office it's just down the street from my house and I will pray that over anything I'm shipping out. God, you've promised that when your word goes out, and I know you've promised that when your word goes out and I know, kristen, you call this a seed cast and you're a seed caster and I see myself as a seed sender when your word goes out, when you send your word out, it does not return void, but it will accomplish the purpose. So, god, what's your purpose for this?

Speaker 1: 1:16:51

It's going to accomplish that, the purpose for which you're sending it, and I just believe that promise over everybody receiving their Bibles and even just the post office, all the people that touch it. They don't even know.

Speaker 2: 1:17:06

Oh, I love my post office. They're amazing. I give them half the credit, like you guys.

Speaker 1: 1:17:16

you guys are part of this story. Send it, oh so good. Well, amy, I love to end the show with you know, part of why I do this is, you know, for the one.

Speaker 2: 1:17:38

ultimately, and if you could get a vision of that one? What would you like to say to her? And then would you be open to praying for both of us as well? Yeah, absolutely so.

Speaker 2: 1:17:42

I'm actually Kristen, thinking about the story of the woman who touched the fringe and so she was coming in with a lot of false beliefs and lies and issues. Right, it says she's even called. We don't even know her name. She's called the woman with the issue, and so I feel like every one of us can identify with that and in faith. You know, she approached Jesus. She heard that he was healing everyone that he came into contact with, and so she approached him that he came into contact with, and so she approached him, and when she touched him remember, Jesus is the word she was instantly healed, and that just means the fullness of healing. He felt it leave his body and she experienced immediately what it felt like to be whole, and then what I think is beautiful. We talked about how he speaks a better word over us.

Speaker 2: 1:18:40

I believe Scripture doesn't say this, but, based on her background, I believe that she believed that she was not worthy of attention, that she was unclean, that she was disgusting, that she was not wanted, that she was hopeless. Really, I mean, it was a hopeless situation. Nobody had been able to help her, she'd been to every doctor, she'd done everything she knew to do and she was just completely hopeless. And what I love is that when Jesus turns around and he sees her and she's trembling at this point she's trembling. He looks at her and the first thing he does is he speaks to her true identity and he calls her daughter and then he goes on to say your faith has made you well, go in peace, your suffering is over. But the first thing he does is he establishes that she's not those lies. That is not her identity. Her issues are not her identity. Just like we talked in the beginning of the podcast, like the hats that we wear, the things we do, our issues, those things are not our identity.

Speaker 2: 1:19:57

And I think, as moms and wives and businesswomen and just women in this world in general, we feel the weight of all of the responsibilities and the things we need to be to the various groups of people we're called to, and we feel all of the weight of the world on our shoulder. And what I feel like the Lord wants to speak over this audience today is daughter, you get to be a daughter first before you're a mom. You get to be a daughter first before you're a teacher. You get to be a daughter first Before you're a teacher. You get to be a daughter first.

Speaker 2: 1:20:38

And so I would just like say, sit in that, ask the Lord what does he want to show you about that better word over you today, because I know for me it's a lot easier for me to you know. At the beginning of the podcast, you said tell us a little bit about yourself. And I immediately went into I'm a wife and I'm a mom, and but first, first, remember he first loved us, first we get to be a daughter. So that's what I want to speak over each person listening today.

Speaker 1: 1:21:13

So that's what I want to speak over each person listening today. So good, Amy.

Speaker 2: 1:21:19

I just love you.

Speaker 1: 1:21:20

I love you too. Well, thank you for being a brave voice who's setting others free. Truly, there's so much goodness coming in as we were talking in the beginning or before we started. We're entering a new season, and I can't wait to see all the new things that he has for you and those of you who are listening.

Speaker 1: 1:21:41

So I'm going to close out um our hope and loft session today with the anchoring verse it's may the god of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing so that by the power of the Holy Spirit, you may abound in hope. And that is Romans 15, 13. Thank you, Amy. I will be sure to add all of the contact information for Amy in the show notes, the book she mentioned and any other relevant information that comes to me. So, thank you, Amy. I will be back with another episode next week. Thank you so much, Kristen. It was an honor. Thank you everyone.