Unlocking Kingdom Impact: Integrating Faith, Business, and Discipleship with Bristan & Latondra Heaven

In this episode of Hope Unlocked, host Kristin Kurtz welcomes Bristan and Latondra Heaven to share their journey of integrating Kingdom principles into business and discipleship. This inspiring couple takes us through their transition from ministry to entrepreneurship, revealing how their faith shaped their decisions and led to the creation of a powerful discipleship manual now impacting leaders in corporate spaces.

The Heaven's open up about challenges, like hosting events with few attendees, and the breakthroughs that followed as they trusted God’s timing. They discuss breaking free from hustle culture and embracing Holy Spirit-led strategies that allowed their business to thrive. Latondra shares her journey of unlocking her voice and overcoming self-doubt, while Bristan reflects on cultivating patience and the power of simple obedience in both business and life.

This conversation offers practical insights for believers navigating entrepreneurship, ministry, or personal growth. Learn how aligning with God’s purpose and surrendering your plans can lead to transformation and eternal impact. Whether you’re seeking clarity in your calling or looking for encouragement in your faith journey, this episode will inspire you to walk boldly and serve with intentionality.

Heaven's Contact info:
Phone - 407-917-5386
Website - https://www.kingdomreachleadership.com

Chapters

• 0:16 Empowering Women of Faith
• 14:50 Growing Beyond Traditional Discipleship
• 28:27 Overcoming Obstacles and Finding Mentors
• 33:38 The Patience of Discipleship
• 44:13 Divine Guidance in Business Growth
• 58:54 Discerning Eternal Return on Investment
• 1:03:59 Building Kingdom Collaborations for Glory
• 1:10:14 Kingdom Leadership and Business Growth

Transcript

Speaker 2: 0:16

Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast. I'm your host, kristen Kurtz, and I'm also the founder of New Wings Coaching. I help and empower wildhearted and adventurous women of faith feeling caged and stuck, unlock their true purpose and potential, break free from limitations and thrive with confidence, courage and hope. If you're curious to learn more about coaching with me, head to newwingscoachingnet and be sure to explore the show notes for ways to connect with me further. Get ready to dive in as we uncover empowering keys and insights in this episode. So tune in and let's unlock hope together. Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast. I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host. I pray this episode is like a holy IV of hope for your soul. Please help me.

Speaker 2: 0:57

Welcome Briston and Latondra Heaven to the show. I am very excited to hear more about them because I don't even know the depths of their story. But I actually met Briston through an entrepreneur kingdom entrepreneur group that I'm part of and I just thought it would be amazing to have him share, but not only him share, but to have his wife come on and share as well. I love this is the second time I've been able to bring a couple on, so would you both be willing to share more about yourself before we get in?

Speaker 3: 1:30

Sure, thank you. Well, it's definitely an honor to be on the podcast and to be able to speak and share our story. Speak to your audience and share a story with them. Speak to your audience and share a story with them. We are husband and wife, obviously, and we get the opportunity of doing strategic leadership in the marketplace really discipleship. We get to work with leaders and, in addition to that, we get to also help others in ministry. We've been working together ever since the beginning of our relationship and I'm so grateful to God for that opportunity.

Speaker 5: 2:14

Yeah, and you guys are located where Right now we are in the Orlando Florida area. Okay, we moved here in 2016 from Birmingham, alabama. That's where I was born and raised and lived for most of my life until we moved here, and Briston is from Jamaica, so he moved to Jamaica. I mean, he moved from Jamaica to Birmingham when we got married. And yeah, he's the right ever since there's.

Speaker 2: 2:47

There must be a story there. So you're from Alabama, from Jamaica, so I'd love if you guys are open to sharing a little bit more of that story.

Speaker 5: 2:55

That would be amazing okay, it's a pretty interesting story and I tell my daughters, or our daughters, don't try this at home, because I think if they were to do what we did, it would drive me crazy but it was what the Lord did so I had just graduated from Beeson Divinity School with my master's and, and you know it, the last semester was really stressful and I was just so ready to be done.

Speaker 5: 3:29

Toward the end of the semester, the professor who oversaw the missions department came to me and asked if I would be willing to accompany him and a Jan term class on a and a Jan term class on a trip that they were coordinating to Jamaica. At the time they were trying to establish a partnership between our school and Jamaica Theological Seminary, which is where Briston was. And when he asked me, I outright said no, I'm graduating and I'm not doing any more classes because I am barely sane. But he comforted me and he said that he wasn't expecting me to take the class, he just wanted me to come to assist. And then my next response was no, I can't go because I can't afford to go. I'm graduating.

Speaker 5: 4:24

I'm broke. I cannot afford to go to Jamaica. Yeah.

Speaker 5: 4:28

He didn't. He didn't relent. He asked me if they were able to find someone to cover my expenses if I would go. I was like, okay, well, let me rethink this thing. I was like, okay, well, let me rethink this thing. Free trip to the Caribbean. I think that's a pretty good stress relief and a good reward for all of my labor. So I said, yeah, you know, sure I'll do it, Because he just wanted me to help out with some of the logistical things while they were on the ground. And the next day he came back and said okay, you're all paid for, you still want to go? And to this day I still don't know who that anonymous donor was. I guess I won't know until I get to heaven. But I ended up in Jamaica on a free trip and I didn't have to take the class, didn't have to do any, any assignments, and that's where I met Briston.

Speaker 3: 5:35

So you may want to share your version of it. So let's pick up from where she said that you know she met me. So I'd just come to the point where I said to the Lord, lord, if you want me to get married, that's good. If you don't want me to get married. That's fine, and so there was a measure of contentment that I've gotten to, and it wasn't a month or even three weeks after that that Latondra walked into chapel and I'm worshipping the Lord with my hands raised.

Speaker 3: 6:14

I just happened to turn my head over and I saw her and I quickly looked at her again. She was definitely a head turner still is and I said to the Lord while I'm worshiping. I said she's beautiful, and I kept worshiping. So, long story short, they returned to the US and one day I was having my quiet time with the Lord and I was reading a scripture about the beauty in Peter, about the beauty of a quiet and gentle spirit and just that inward beauty, and she came back to mind and I reached out to her, sent her an email. I remember I'd gotten her email when she was here and I followed up with her and she followed up with me and at that time it you know it was um yahoo chat.

Speaker 3: 7:06

I don't know if you remember that yeah, yahoo messenger messenger download yep and so and so, yeah, we, we communicated and uh, and then eventually moved to the phone. I think she had a expensive phone bill at one time, $500? Oh gosh, yeah, I couldn't get off. I just couldn't get off the phone. And she came to my graduation. She came to my graduation and I proposed to her and the plan was to return to Jamaica. And after we got married, the Lord shared the dream and in the dream it confirmed that we were supposed to stay. And so here we are today wow, that is so incredible.

Speaker 2: 7:49

So can I ask, like what, what were each of you going to school for? Like what did you graduate? Um, like what was your your plan? That, yes, so um, and you thought you had, I should say yes, so I was.

Speaker 5: 8:05

I had just gotten my master's from seminary. We were both in seminary. I had just graduated. So mine was in theological studies and my desire was to go to the mission field and focus on discipleship on the mission field. Those were my plans. I think Briston was preparing for pastoral ministry and so, you know, the Lord just really kind of switched all of that and somehow we ended up in business.

Speaker 2: 8:41

Yeah, well, there must have been a turning point, right? Was there something that you know? I love how you said, briston, that it's almost like God turned your head so that you could see her right.

Speaker 3: 9:07

I recall, after we got married, we felt led that we should put a discipleship manual together and the Lord gave us the grace to do it. It was just full of grace and we got it completed. We were a part of a megachurch Cathedral of the Cross with Pastor Mark Curl, mark Carl, and I recall I recall only two people showed up, you know, blessed it and only two people showed up. And and so the trend, you know the we moved from there to several a few years later where we took that discipleship manual and we're now helping leaders in a church setting. And then, a few years later, you know, we were sent out by the church and planted another to plant a church, and now we're helping the leaders and those within the congregation.

Speaker 3: 10:00

And then after that, we were asked by missionaries in Guatemala could you bring that discipleship manual to us? And we did, and after that the Lord was like OK, take now the discipleship from ministry to business. So you said, I guess there was a point where, you know, you got to the business. So that's what I'm responding to. And one day we're doing a round table talk and god has a sense of humor. When you're faithful with little, he has a sense of you. And now we're in a room and in that room. The room is is actually too small because they have to turn people away and if you look on the floor you see somebody sitting on the floor.

Speaker 3: 10:41

It was just that pack and after we finished talking on spiritual warfare in your business, one of the leaders approached us and said can you bring Kingdom Discipleship to our organization? It was Bob Wilbanks with G7 Networking. And so we took that discipleship manual that we were preparing for ministry and the Lord said now take it to business. And here was someone saying to us can you take this to business? And then we were faithful with that and it turned into an e-course Reach by Design and then from there it got into our three-day leadership bootcamp. So that is how we made the transition from ministry to business. If that helps Kristen.

Speaker 5: 11:24

Yeah, and I want to back up a little bit and give a little context. He mentioned that you know we actually have been in ministry from the beginning of our marriage.

Speaker 5: 11:36

It's pretty interesting that we jokingly refer to ourselves as like the Aquila and Priscilla the modern day, aquila and Priscilla, because, you know, everything that we do, we do together and it's all about discipleship. That's the DNA. Well, we led a house church when we were still living in Alabama, and we also had opportunities just to engage with others who were in the corporate world, because both of us also worked in corporate America for years, and one of the things that we were hearing constantly was yes, I understand how this faith applies, you know, in the context of traditional, formal ministry within the four walls of the church or like an organized missions event or whatever. But on Monday through Friday, I'm not quite seeing the connect.

Speaker 5: 12:34

So there was this disconnect and almost to the point where people were struggling with duplicity, you know, feeling, you know that there is one way to behave, you know, when they are in church or in a ministry context, but then at work, there's this pull of the world to behave a certain way and just trying to, you know, reconcile the two. How do we marry our faith with our professional lives? That was the struggle that we began to see over and over and over again, and so that was really the point where the Lord started working in our hearts. It wasn't materialized at that point, but that was the beginning of the process of the Lord, you know, just really dealing with us and showing us the need for something like this in the form of discipleship in the context of the marketplace, because people need to understand that there should be no separation.

Speaker 2: 13:35

Oh my gosh. So when you guys, you initially got married and this was like a download that you initially got pretty quickly after getting married, is this what I'm hearing?

Speaker 5: 13:45

No, it was a few years into our marriage probably. Let's see, I would say we were getting the signals from the beginning, but I believe that it really it was like oh okay, that's what's been going on all this time. Maybe about five years into our marriage.

Speaker 3: 14:04

If you're talking about what Latondra just said with the connect between faith and the marketplace, yes, but as it relates to discipleship, we knew before we got married that we were going to be in discipleship. It's in our DNA. So, yeah, shortly after we got married, we got married in 2005. In 2006, the discipleship manual was already completed.

Speaker 5: 14:26

But we always considered it from the beginning. It was in the context of traditional ministry. We didn't have the revelation of what it looked like in the marketplace, and it probably was about five years later, five or six years later. I want to say that we started making the connection and paying attention to what we were hearing from other people.

Speaker 2: 14:50

So good. That's a measure of discipleship too is to really be like a good disciple. Right, ship maker. Right, you're listening for what people need, you're shepherding in ways right listening for what people need.

Speaker 5: 15:09

You're shepherding in ways, right yeah, it also requires you to detox from all of the things that you've been taught over the years about what discipleship is. So we can go through a period of detoxing because of what traditions said. After we went through that process, then we realized now we're open to understanding what God truly says discipleship is. And that's a day, that's a daily walk. Discipleship is a daily walk. It's a you know, pick up your cross daily and walk with Jesus the way that Jesus walked daily, not just on particular hours on a particular day. And so you know we had to go through that process ourselves first. You know, with that paradigm shift, before we're able to start walking others through that process.

Speaker 2: 16:02

Well, what did that like? If somebody is wondering like what did? What does a discipleship detox look like? What did what did that look like for both of you to walk through that? What was he showing you through that process?

Speaker 5: 16:15

So I'll say one of the things that he showed me and I'm saying this based on my background in church discipleship was a class Discipleship was, you know, once per week we meet, we go through a book and then that's discipleship. Well, I had to detox from that and realize, you know, like I said earlier, no, discipleship is a way of life. And so I had to break away from feeling like, oh, I've checked off the box of discipleship because I've gone through this six week class or eight week class, Um, and I have a certificate and now you know, I've completed the discipleship process. So I had to, I had to detox from, really the lack of accountability and the Lord's standard of discipleship that I had been taught.

Speaker 2: 17:17

Sure, that definitely makes sense, I think that was the biggest thing for me. Yeah, so, bristan, what did that look like for you? I think that was the biggest thing for me. Yeah, so to Briston, what did that look like for you?

Speaker 3: 17:27

well, good, well, thank you. I want to make sure that I didn't know if you had anything else to say regarding Latondra.

Speaker 3: 17:34

I want to make sure I was listening yeah for me, the biggest thing was moving from bondage to the, to the law, the. It is so easy to get into the routine and doing things because it's just what we do. And so you have that one extreme where you know you're just doing it because it's the routine, and then you have the other extreme where you're just you're not going to do it at all. Right, but what I had to learn was to slow down and allow the Holy Spirit to really start to have a relationship with me. And this is it.

Speaker 3: 18:26

When I was in seminary, I was thinking about going on to my master's and they just released a master's program, an MBA, and I got excited. I got excited and when I started to inquire, they said sorry, briston, you have to have at least five years of business experience, and I was. I remember I was saddened by it and, just to let you know about that relational aspect, I remember asking the Holy Spirit you know, hey, I'd love to get an MBA. And he said no. And later on I asked again and the third time I asked he said no. And I said okay, lord, I know you've given me a brain to think and to I can easily do this. He said, yeah, you can do it, but I don't want you to get an MBA.

Speaker 3: 19:10

Yes, I've given it to others and I work with others to use it for my glory and the good of others and the growth of their businesses, but for you you're going to do, I want you to rely on me as the source and not the MBA as the source, and I know you you'll rely on it as the source and me as your resource.

Speaker 3: 19:31

And so I will tell you I was. You know, I would easily gravitate to someone and to something, because I grew up with that, that religious mindset and that routine where I do things and I mimic others, I sound like others, and I had to get to the detox of first recognizing who the Holy Spirit is and then, once I start to know who he is, I start to discover who I am. I started to discover that my style is unique. You know, the purpose that he has given me is unique, the abilities are unique, the calling is unique, the experiences are unique, the spiritual gifts are unique, and once I realized that I was free to be and that so that detoxing was more of me moving from routine to one of a relationship with the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 2: 20:27

Amen. What I would kind of want to touch on a little bit too is, you know, and there's nothing wrong with anybody going to get an MBA, like as long as the Lord's calling them there but I think what can happen, and not even just in college aspects, but going and getting certificates or additional training, you know, not really even, you know, inquiring with the Lord on that, but thinking that if they have this, these letters behind their name, that that will give them more clout in the world. Right, what would you say to that?

Speaker 5: 21:01

I'd say that it's good to have you know the multitude of counselors to find the safety in whatever it is that you're doing, have that formal, quote, unquote education, without really paying attention to what God is doing with those who may not have those degrees. I think about the disciples in I can't remember which chapter. I know the first part of the book of Acts. You know when it was said of them that you know they were recognized as being uneducated, but what was noticed about them was that they had been with Jesus. And so you know, education from the traditional sense is great.

Speaker 5: 22:02

It's not meant for everyone and I feel like if you, if you're not being educated by the Holy Spirit, first and foremost, none of the letters behind your name mean anything. And and that's even if, if you go into seminary and you've been in ministry for years, you know you could be in ministry for decades and have all types of doctorates and everything, but if you have not truly allowed yourself to be educated by the Holy Spirit because that's really where the power and the wisdom and knowledge and all come from you're really missing out. As Paul would say, just counting is done is really of no value. As Paul would say, just counting his dung is really of no value.

Speaker 2: 22:46

Yeah, I was thinking of the disciples as well when you were saying that. I was like, yeah, that's exactly it. I mean you look at how many you know. I like to look to you know people in the Bible who you know. I think of Moses, who you know. He was called up to save a people and thought he couldn't do it because he didn't have. He wasn't, and I would relate to him a lot. With Moses, you know that he didn't feel like he was eloquent of speech, but he was created by God and God knew ahead of time that he would have a speech impediment. Yet he was chosen. And that's what I love. I love hearing stories of you know the unlikelies, maybe the ones who maybe didn't even graduate high school and yet have gone on to do, you know, great things right. Pastors, maybe who've been chosen from a congregation perhaps that maybe didn't go to seminary, I don't know. It's just a fascinating walk to see. You know in the Bible the ones that were chosen right.

Speaker 5: 24:00

Yeah, you know, the degrees give you knowledge, but they don't give you the power and the authority. Only that can come from a place in God. You know, and you really have to find that place. Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 24:16

Well, not and I don't want to discount, you know, college or degrees or anything. But since we're on that topic, like would you say there's anything if you look back on your, your seminary degrees, like what was your like? You look back and you're like this was so amazing to learn in school. I didn't go to school for I didn't finish college. So I would love to hear you know, like a seminary right?

Speaker 5: 24:42

Yes, so I I'll say my undergraduate degree is in something totally unrelated to my life, and so if I could go back, I would definitely get another degree in seminary. I believe that there were two, two things that it really did for me. Two things that it really did for me. The first thing was it allowed me to encounter the person that I consider one of my two favorite teachers of all time, you know, in my life, and that was my preaching professor. The impact that he had on me and the way that he challenged me. I mean, it wasn't it wasn't about the content of the courses, sure, but he challenged me in a way that made me feel really, really uncomfortable. So, for instance, during that class, each student, of course, was required to prepare and deliver sermons before the classes, and we would get graded on how we did. Well, all of the students in my class were allowed to use their notes, but my professor would not allow me to use them.

Speaker 5: 26:01

At the time, I considered that to be very unfair, because I am very much like you, and Bristan knows, I have often compared myself to Moses jokingly, and I don't do it anymore, at least I try not to.

Speaker 5: 26:19

But do you remember the show Fat Albert? Yes, okay, the one from the seventies, right. So there was a character called Mushmouth and you really couldn't understand anything he was saying. It was just, you know, and I used to compare myself to Mushmouth because, you know, I have never considered myself to be a speaker Don't really like it because I don't, I'm a perfectionist and I don't feel like it's something that I'm very good at and so the fact that he made me deliver my sermon without my notes and me knowing that I'm already at a deficit, it required me to rely on the Holy Spirit all the more and to be able to see what Holy Spirit can do when you allow him to do it, when you truly remove all of the safety nets and just trust him to do what he wants to do.

Speaker 5: 27:20

So that was one of the main things that that I got from my seminary tenure. And then, of course, the other one was I met Kristen. Absolutely. It was through that school's trip that I ended up in Jamaica, and now we're married almost 20 years oh, I love it.

Speaker 2: 27:39

Well, I have to ask how did that go when you were delivering the word? I gotta know.

Speaker 5: 27:47

It went much better than expected, and there were people who were in tears.

Speaker 5: 27:52

I mean, I was in tears but not because I was impressed with myself, but because I was scared out of my mind and I was about to have a meltdown. But there were people who were actually in tears and I got a lot of good feedback from it, which really surprised me because, like I said, being the perfectionist that I am and not being the speaker that you know I thought I was I didn't expect to get that, that good feedback, and I got an A.

Speaker 2: 28:25

Congratulations. Do you feel like that, like kind of unlocked your voice a little bit at that time?

Speaker 5: 28:30

even I think it was the beginning of a process, but Briston will be able to tell you that I have been on a journey our entire marriage to truly unlock my voice and, without putting it back in a cage, because that is in my cycle I will get unlocked and then I would revert back. And you know it's been a constant battle, because I know that the enemy is trying to muzzle me and has been trying to muzzle me for so many years, and so it's a constant battle to resist that. But I believe that I am at a point now where I'm winning the battle, but it requires total reliance on the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 2: 29:14

Well, I just would say that, like, I'm so thankful that you are sharing your story here, because I believe that somebody needs to hear your voice and you know I very much relate to you. I often see women in cages whether it's their calling or their voices, and it's almost like that lion that's in a cage and the door is open right and they just aren't coming out. They don't know what to do and there's so much like attack from the outside and it's those moments when we step out. It's just like the other night I was asked to share my testimony at church and they said how are you feeling? I said I'm going to punch the enemy in the face by doing this and they kind of looked at me like she means business. I love it, but that was, you know, it was. There was a lot of, you know, resistance to do that thing. Right. I don't know that I will ever fully give up, but I'm never going to give up and you're not going to give up either, right.

Speaker 5: 30:15

No, not going to give up, and it doesn't always feel good, but I mean, the cross didn't feel good to Jesus, I'm sure the cross didn't feel good to Jesus, I'm sure.

Speaker 5: 30:29

So you know, it's just a matter of obedience and just knowing this is what God has placed before us and no matter what comes, no matter how uncomfortable it gets and I don't know if you are like I am because I am very self-critical are like I am because I am very self-critical and I deal with that self-criticism even after I speak. You know I deal with that, but I submit it to the Lord and allow the Lord to remind me. You know, it's really not about your ability, it's about my ability and your reliance on my ability.

Speaker 2: 31:06

So, um, we keep moving one foot in front of the other yes, amen, as we put our foot one foot in front of the other, we're we're crushing the enemy's head as well under our feet. Yes, I like you, um gosh, and I won't get into my whole story, but just even started in the podcast. When I first started, I would, I would hit stop on the recordings and there would just be so many arrows that would come my way Like you don't know what you're talking about. Nobody wants to listen to you. I mean just so much in relation to the voice.

Speaker 2: 31:41

And yet I kept in my mind that the one person needs to hear, whether it's me, like having you both on, like, I think, of the one who needs to hear what you're going to share today. Every time it's uncomfortable Cause it's not about me, but there's a little bit about me, cause I have to show up to do the thing Right. So thank you for sharing that, that part of your story. Like I said, I do believe that it's coming up a lot for a lot of women that I talk to, that there is such a challenge in that place. So thank you for being open to share. How about you, bristan? What was your biggest? I mean, obviously, like you said, you both have said going to school, you met each other from afar, which I love. It's so incredible. How about you with your seminary?

Speaker 3: 32:34

Thank you. I was talking with a leader this morning and she was asking how are you, latondra, doing at the Christian chamber as co-president? And I was sharing with her how the Lord has been so good to me in placing strong men in my life Ever since I was a boy. I had my great-grandfather, who was a strong, godly man, and then when I went to seminary, it wasn't long before one of my professors walked up to me and said I'm going to mentor you. He just really felt of the Lord to mentor me, and all throughout seminaryary he mentored me, and it was there in seminary that I got an opportunity to not only be discipled, but I was able to disciple others.

Speaker 3: 33:37

Uh, we, we. The seminar was close to a rough community grand span uh, guns, drugs. And I remember in seminary that there was a common ground these young men, who, who, who had the drugs and the gun, they, they played soccer we called it football in Jamaica and so we would invite them over to the, to the field and play soccer, and, and then we would invite them over to the field and play soccer, and then we would eat together. And it was right there eating together, having played a game that we were able to share our story and how Christ has really helped us and helped us to be more like him, and they listened.

Speaker 3: 34:24

That was the good thing. They listened. That was the good thing, they listened, and so for me that was a good experience when Tana and I we were, if I should use the word, courting, you know, miles and miles away from each other.

Speaker 5: 34:41

Yeah, you left that part out about the event, and then, two and a half years later, yeah, exactly so.

Speaker 3: 34:50

She knew of our sports evangelism attempts and throughout seminary, our conversation, it would come up here and there and she knew that there was a heart to see others discipled. But because of that need of young men who were dying and dying without the hope of eternal life, it was important that we found a way in order to reach them with the good news of the kingdom.

Speaker 2: 35:21

Do you have any like? I would love to hear if you have any you know you don't have to name names or anything but any testimonies of those times where you would like I always like to say it's like inviting people to the table because meals and food are very good draws, right? Do you have any testimonies of seeing somebody have a complete turnaround by coming?

Speaker 3: 35:45

Yeah, that's good. That's good.

Speaker 3: 35:47

During that time, not only did we disciple on the seminary campus, but when I went back home, I also continued it, and one of the gentlemen that I discipled years later during ministry he connected and Latondra and I got a chance to spend some time discipling him and his wife and now he's one of my partners in Pride and I remember when he told me how he was discipling other men and I think that's the beauty of discipleship is where you help others to come to Jesus and be changed by him, because that's the beauty about Jesus. Jesus says come and you will change. You know, there's the extremes where the gospel of legalism that says you better change before you come. And then you have the gospel of libertinism that says come but don't change. But the gospel of the kingdom is is come and you will be changed. That's the beauty about Jesus.

Speaker 3: 37:10

And so these men I remember this brother just being able to see the fruit that remained I think that's the greatest joy is when you have spent time with someone and you've poured into them and then they come back and they tell. They tell you the story of how they're this situation and they remember the words from the scriptures and how the Holy Spirit use it to help them through that period in their lives. And after years and we're talking about like 20 plus years. There. They now have children, they're married and they're now influencing others towards Christ. I think only heaven will tell the implication of our simple obedience.

Speaker 2: 37:56

And that's the key right. Could you say that again?

Speaker 3: 37:59

Oh yeah, Only heaven will tell the implication of our simple obedience.

Speaker 2: 38:04

Yeah, I feel like somebody really needs to catch that one today, and it's the simplicity about it. I think we can overcomplicate things too, would you say.

Speaker 5: 38:18

Yeah, you know, as I was listening to Bristan, I was reminded of the importance of patience. That's good, because when you are planting those seeds, you want to see the fruit within a certain time frame, and so he mentioned that it was 20 plus years later that he really got to taste the fruit of his labor, while he was in seminary. And so you know I keep thinking. Number one you know, we may be in an environment, for instance when we were in seminary. We may be in an environment thinking that we are there for one reason, but God knows that there's a totally different reason that he has placed us in that environment, and that reason has more of an eternal reward than the reason that we believe that we're there. But then also not to be so discouraged when we don't see immediate results from what we're doing. As I was listening to him speak, it was just a reminder for me because I am very results oriented.

Speaker 3: 39:39

And if I, if I may say something sweetie on that, that's so good say something silly on that, that's so good. Not just patience with the fruit that you want to see from the lives of others, but remembering that god is patient with us. Yeah, um, it is. In ecclesiastes, I think it's chapter seven, it says that the end of a matter is better than the beginning and patience is better than pride.

Speaker 3: 40:06

So if we will allow the, the, which is a fruit, by the way, so I, whenever said fruit would mean it's a work of the holy spirit. Patience is truly a work of the holy spirit and, um, sometimes we want to see the results in our own lives faster, but if we're patient with ourselves and allow ourselves to love ourselves that way because, guess what? Love is patient. So one of the ways in which we love ourselves is by being patient with ourselves and allowing God's work in us to get to the point whereby which it flows into the lives of others right because he's he's discipling us exactly he gets to disciple others, yes, but we have to first be discipled.

Speaker 2: 40:59

And I, you know, I hear from a lot of people like you're saying can I just like, can I just be changed like this? And that happens sometimes. Like, don't get me wrong, I experienced that in some ways. You know, when I first was saved, there was an immediate deliverance of some things, but it's such a process and I don't know about you guys, but it's taken me a long time, no pun intended, to learn patience. But there's areas that you know we want to see people fully living out their lives, and I know that that's a big part of you know your hearts too is to be fully living. You know, like that abundant life in Christ, fully living. You know like that abundant life in Christ. And it can be really challenging when you can see somebody maybe doing the complete opposite, even though you're ministering to them.

Speaker 2: 41:55

You're, you're walking the walk and sharing the gospel, and over and over and over, and there's just a hard wall. But we're called to continue. You know knocking on that wall. Even we're called to continue, you know knocking on that wall, even if they shove us away. And I know that deeply because I'm married to a pre-believer. So what would you say to somebody who's continuing on and you know that patience, part of it being that you have been in this discipling space for so long what would you say to somebody who's just getting really, they're almost giving up. They're almost giving up on, you know, maybe it's a family member or a friend and they feel like the Lord's really highlighted them, but they just are so resistant to everything they say. Words really highlighted them, but they just are so resistant to everything they say.

Speaker 5: 42:55

So one of the things that I would say is to be careful about allowing the lack of results in that moment become your identity.

Speaker 3: 43:01

That's good. Identity, that's good.

Speaker 5: 43:15

There are so many of us and I and I say us because, you know, I I can talk from from my own personal experience and just the journey that I have had to walk through we've accomplished something is what we hinge our identity on, but we have to remember that our identity is totally found in Christ. That's good. Whether someone responds to us or not, or responds the way that we want them to or not, it should have no impact on who we are, have no impact on who we are. And so I think if maybe we, you know, are careful, to separate our identity from the results.

Speaker 5: 43:53

It might allow us to be just a little more patient, because then we realize that it's not. It's not because of me, it's because of where they are.

Speaker 2: 44:05

That's good, that's so good.

Speaker 3: 44:08

If I can, if I may add to that yeah, there is a. There's a scripture that says, and Paul writes in his Corinthians he said we no longer see Jesus Christ from a human point of view. There are. There is easy to set our mind on the things that we can see, like Tan's other results, and the Scripture encourages us to set our mind on the Spirit and things above. In essence, the Scripture is encouraging us to take a long view.

Speaker 3: 44:47

There's a book that Tan introduced me to, and it's long obedience in the same direction. So when you take an eternal point of view and realize that earth is only a drop in the bucket like a drop in the bucket compared to the seas, the waters of the earth, it's a mist, it's a sigh that your time on earth is so small when compared to the eternal perspective Then we will realize that earth is truly a dress rehearsal for the main event and everything that we do here is linked to how we will live in the new heaven and the new earth. So when we take that perspective, it helps us to make the most of the little or the much, the results or the relationships it helps us to take. Make the most of what we have now and recognizing that, in the grand scheme of things, this patience that we're having is nothing compared to eternity.

Speaker 2: 45:59

Yes, well, I can't help but see how this might kind of even segue into being an entrepreneur. I want to go back a little bit to even what you said in the beginning, where there was two people who came to you know where you were. And you know, as an entrepreneur.

Speaker 2: 46:32

I think I did a post when you said something like to be an entrepreneur, you have to have the gift of patience, gift of faith, the gift of patience. So what does it look like for both of you, being that we are? You know, we are out there, we're in the world, but we're not of it in our businesses, and there is so much out there to tell you what to do. You should do this, you should do that in business and you got to do this so that you get this result by this time. Um, I would love for you to just kind of open up the box on how you guys have navigated being business owners. You know, not only I mean, even for me. I'm an entrepreneur, kind of my my own, solo, with the Lord, but as as a couple, I think that's incredible. So what does that look like for you? If you're willing to kind of go there, sure.

Speaker 3: 47:24

So one of the things that is said in Ecclesiastes 3 is there is a time for everything for every activity and it's very important that we know there are seasons in our businesses, just like in our lives.

Speaker 3: 47:45

And so when you are aware of the seasons that number one, you got to be aware. You got that discovery, you got that startup, you got that break-even, you got that profitability, you got that sustainability, you got that scalability and succession and exit when you recognize the seasons, then, as you are going through the seasons, you can say, oh, I'm actually a discovery, I'm like it, I'm not yet started generating revenue, and then say to the Holy Spirit, holy Spirit, what are you saying to me in this season? What are you wanting to teach me in this season? How do you want me to grow in this season? And so, for us, we recognize that. We recognize when we were in that discovery phase. We recognize that when we were in the startup phase and because I was actually in banking and Latondra was carrying the business, we just simply went at the pace of God's grace For that season.

Speaker 5: 48:51

For that season. Yeah, I think that's really good, kristen. That's really good. You know, we got caught up in that rat race in the beginning of doing all of the things that all of the gurus tell you that you should be doing in order to be successful, and it wore us down. It wore us down. And finally, you know it was during a time of prayer where, you know, I just really sensed the Lord was saying okay, stop, just stop, was saying okay, stop Just stop.

Speaker 5: 49:29

You're seeking. Now don't get me wrong. I really do appreciate and honor all of the people who have gone before us. They've shared their wisdom with us to help us, to help it not be so hard for us, to make it a little bit easier. But when we begin to idolize the wisdom of man over inquiring the wisdom of God, that's when it becomes a real problem. And it's easy to fall down that slope because that's just the way of the culture that we live in. And so, you know, there was a time where we really just had to stop, like we stopped all of our marketing, we stopped everything and we prayed and we're like okay, lord, holy Spirit, speak to us. Holy Spirit, speak to us. What is it that you want us to do? And I think it's important for each person to understand that it's okay not to jump on a bandwagon just because somebody says that you need to be on it. Say that again. It's okay not to jump on the bandwagon just because someone else says you need to be on it.

Speaker 2: 50:49

Yes, I wanted that to be caught by somebody.

Speaker 5: 50:52

Yeah. So we got off the bandwagon and trusting our ear for the Lord and understanding, you know, what is it that God is truly calling us to do Like? What is our vision? Is it that God is truly calling us to do? Like what is our vision? What is the mission? What is our purpose Like? What is it that we're going for and what is unique about us and the way that we're wired and where do we thrive? What's our sweet spot?

Speaker 5: 51:22

And really allowing the Lord to course correct and get us back into that sweet spot where we could thrive in business without feeling like we are running ourselves into the ground. And so, really, it was once we pulled away from what everyone else was doing and what everyone else was saying. It was then that we started to see results in our business because we were doing things God's way. It's like during our business meetings with God and you know all about those, you know, coming from a KDE culture, yes, you know like what does it look like to do business with God, and not just in word but actually in deed?

Speaker 2: 52:25

Well, I would love for you, like was there a? Was there a time where you know Latondra, you love the results, right? Was there like a testimony that you'd be open to sharing in relation to the business that you got that strategy from him? You went out there, you initiated it and then what was the result? Like, was there something specific that, if you're open to sharing, would love for somebody to just hear, maybe a story that happened specifically for your businesses?

Speaker 5: 52:57

Yeah, so I remember there was a former coworker of Briston's that he, he, he was, they had reconnected and he thought that it would be really good for the two of us to connect. It's a female and he wanted to connect the two of us. And when I went into that conversation, I realized that the Lord just wanted me to listen to her and to serve her, like I had no business intention whatsoever. It was to listen to her and to serve her, and she actually shared this back just a few months ago that I never tried to sell her anything. All I did was listen to her and serve her, and that's how she became a client. I never asked her to become a client. It was in the listening and the serving that she asked okay, can I sign up for something? And this was back in, I want to say, 2021,. And this was back in.

Speaker 5: 54:10

I want to say 2021, maybe, maybe 2021 and or 2020. It might have been 2020.

Speaker 5: 54:19

And to this day, she's still one of our clients. And so it's just, you know, being sensitive to what the Lord is saying, because he knows what each person needs. What the Lord is saying, because he knows what each person needs, we have an idea of what we have to offer and what we're trying to sell, but God knows what that individual actually needs in that moment. And so being sensitive to him to say, oh okay, all I need to do for her, I don't need to tell her about my services, I don't need to do any of that. All I need to do for her, I don't need to tell her about my services, I don't need to do any of that. All I need to do is listen to her and to serve her work with her, just do those things that she needed as an individual. And it was from, from that relationship that she initiated our client. You know, yeah, yeah, she initiated herself as a client yeah that must have been a really amazing.

Speaker 2: 55:13

You know, just pivot point in a way, right for the business.

Speaker 3: 55:18

And now we're at the harvest season, we're where she wants to promote the business. She comes to LaTondra and say how may I promote your business? But if you notice, latondra served her in that summer season. But before that there was that spring season where she was asking okay, come on now, give me a service, I'm ready for you to help me with your services. But if you notice, before that spring season she was in the winter season where a tundra simply listened to her heart and listened to her dream and just saw how best she had and her struggles and her struggles exactly, and so a practical way is knowing what season you're in with your clients and honor that season, because you can kill your harvest if you don't.

Speaker 2: 56:19

I love that you mentioned that. So if somebody is, you know, if somebody is listening in and they're thinking, well, he's, he's saying spring and winter, like I understand, like the natural seasons, but when it comes to business, like what? How could you kind of simply explain that to somebody who's kind of like what does that mean?

Speaker 3: 56:36

great, great. I'm glad that you you asked that with clarity. Latandra, what latandra's example is, perfect winter is relationship building. She simply served the client. And notice she said, without any agenda of making a sale, and that's going to take the work of God's spirit Because naturally, as business owners we want to see how we can get to the sale. But Tondra simply served her in love. And then you move to the spring season where the client is saying now I'm ready for what you have to offer me. The summer season is where you're actually offering it okay you're working're working together.

Speaker 3: 57:28

And then the fall season or the harvest season is where the client now is coming to you and say listen, I'm going to tell such and such about you. Hey, how can I promote you more? Well, that promotion part is just as important as the relationship building part at the beginning.

Speaker 2: 57:48

Thank you for clarifying that. I I just felt like somebody might have that question and might want to know, and even me I was like that's, that's a really beautiful way to look at you know the relationship right and in season and there could be an out of season time too. Have you had clients who've and I'm just using that language, but you know, maybe a client who's um left for a little bit and then come back um. Have you ever had that experience?

Speaker 3: 58:17

before great, great, great. Um, great question. Not everyone is. Not everyone who comes to you you should say who wants to actually pay for your services you should say yes to. You have to really be in partnership with the Holy Spirit, who knows your clients best? Yeah, so so there are clients you're going to have to say no to because it's just not the right season. It's just like you said it's out of season. No, is not the time for there to be any investment whatsoever on the front end of the relationship.

Speaker 3: 59:01

You know it's just not the time and both of you are just not the time. The time and both of you are just not the time. And if you force it, you're going to realize oh gosh, the only reason I'm doing this is for the money. He's going to get to that point. The only reason I'm doing this is for the money. And you never want to get to the point where the only reason you're doing it for the money. Jesus said we should use our resources to benefit others and make friends so that when we enter into eternal dwelling they are there to welcome us. We should always look for if eternal roi or eternal return on our investment. So that's how we do it. When we're, when we're looking at our clients, we're like, okay, all right, all right, I can see the financial ROI. But then we ask ourselves is there an eternal return on our investment, since we know we'll have to stand before Christ on that day and give an account of our stewardship?

Speaker 5: 59:59

And I will even say that we've had some clients where we have worked with them for a period of time and then we terminated the relationship because we realized that this is, this is really not right now is really not the time Like we. We people may think that we're a little bit crazy, but and especially me, because I will I will say you know, no, you don't need to be with us, we're not the best for you, correct?

Speaker 3: 1:00:32

Let me give a specific example.

Speaker 4: 1:00:34

Okay, one season for a business we were strong on coaching.

Speaker 3: 1:00:41

And then that season ended and we started to provide strategy session. Now I had someone that come and said hey, I don't know what I want to do, I'm trying to figure it out. And then LaTanja and I can say well, I know who can help you.

Speaker 5: 1:01:01

And once you've figured it out, I'm back. Yes, that is such a key too.

Speaker 5: 1:01:05

Yes, that is such a key too, and whenever I hear people say like, I have to figure it out we have an opportunity to help direct them to the one who can, yeah, and we know coaches who can walk that journey and who love walking that journey with people to figure out what they want. And so you know, we've gotten to the point where we're so clear on what God has called our business to do that when someone comes to us, even if they're willing to pay you know, high ticket prices, we're comfortable enough in who we are as a business that we can just we can say no, we're not the ones to help you. We can turn it down and not feel like we've missed out on anything, because at the end of the day, it's about serving your clients, and if we're not the best ones to serve them, then I mean when we stand before the Lord and we have to give an account for that, I wonder what he would say.

Speaker 3: 1:02:11

And it builds a collaboration with us and our other business. Exactly Because then they'll say thank you for sending such and such our way. They were a good fit for us. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:02:25

Yeah, I've had that before too, where, um, I like I have a backup counselor at one point and she was like this is really unusual that a coach would actually send somebody to me because typically, you know it, it's in the world it's typical that somebody would just take somebody on, even if they weren't the person to be taken on. So it's just, it's like such a and I'm sure that you guys can attest to this too. But there is this part of it too which maybe you can get in as well. But that connection piece where you have those kingdom connections that you know he'll highlight the right people. And it happens to me all the time where I'm, I'm shuffling people that come to me quite a bit somewhere else, not because I, you know, there's nothing against the person, but I, I it's not. I'm not always the right. I always say I'm not for everybody and everybody's not for me.

Speaker 2: 1:03:17

But there's this element that maybe you guys could share a little bit. And you know the kingdom connection piece. What does that look like for you? And I know you mentioned just very briefly about being part of the Christian Chamber of Commerce in Florida, right, yeah, yeah, I want to make sure that we're hitting on all these little pieces. I want to make sure that we leave room for you to share. You said you have very clear vision. You know what you're doing and I want people to know exactly what it is that you guys do as well. So we'll just start with if you could share a little bit about the kingdom connection piece, how you guys have facilitated that, and then could you share a little bit about the chamber as well.

Speaker 5: 1:03:59

Yeah, so we have had the privilege of being a part of different kingdom groups. Some of them may be connected with one another, others not so much, and so we have the opportunity to really just get to know others who may be doing the same thing that we're doing, and they may not be, but we're all doing it for the same purpose. Whatever we're doing, we're doing it to the glory of God, and we understand that there's no competition. We're not fighting for crumbs of anything, because that's just not the way the kingdom of God works. There's plenty to go around, and so you know it takes time to build those trusted relationships, but it's important to do that, because even in the marketplace, we're still the ecclesia right, and so to be able to help one another out, to help fill in the gaps where the gaps need to be filled, allows us all to better serve the people that we're supposed to be ministering to, you know, in the name of Jesus.

Speaker 5: 1:05:17

And so we take that collaboration piece really, really seriously. And you know we work with. We have other people that we work with, we have people who are referred to us, we have people that we connect with one another, you know, because we're like, ok, you do this, this person does this and they need what you do, so let us introduce you so that you can. You can do that because ultimately, god gets the glory for it. High gets the glory for it. So we're really serious about the collaboration piece because we can get more done together than we can by ourselves, and it's really not about us anyway.

Speaker 3: 1:05:56

Ecclesiastes is right. I think it's 4, verse 9. There two are better than one, but they have a good return for their effort.

Speaker 5: 1:06:05

Yeah, and so in this season, you know, the Lord has given us the opportunity to serve as the co-president for the Central Florida Christian Chamber of Commerce and that gives us, you know, a lot more relationships, you know, with people who have the same heart to really just see God glorified in the marketplace. And yeah, we, just we do this thing together because that's what we've been called to do.

Speaker 2: 1:06:33

So can I just ask, is the US Christian Chamber of Commerce relatively new?

Speaker 5: 1:06:41

So the US Christian Chamber of Commerce and the Central Florida Christian Chamber of Commerce used to be one organization in the same, started in 2003.

Speaker 5: 1:06:54

Yes, the legal name was, it was filed on the US Christian Chamber and it was doing business as the Central Florida Christian Chamber. So last year well, really before last year, but last year was when it really came to a head. You know, the Lord was really impressing upon the heart of Crystal Parker, who was at the time leading Central Florida, that it was time to take what we were doing in Central Florida nationally. And so in order for her to do that, she knew that she wouldn't be able to focus her attention on Central Florida anymore because she needed to focus at a US level. So at that moment, the two and I don't want to say split, because we actually still, we multiply, yes, because we still work very, very closely together yes, we, she's still on our board, we work with them, we're part of the coalition and everything but Central Florida created its own entity, separate from US Christian Chambers, so that now there would be two organizations focusing in two different areas. Awesome.

Speaker 2: 1:08:10

Wow, it's so incredible and I know that there was one at least I think that there's one that I'm in Minnesota and I think there was one that just launched here. So I'm sure that I can, if you guys are okay with it, put the website and the show notes as well for your location and beyond, because, yeah, I haven't even looked into it much, but it sounds amazing.

Speaker 5: 1:08:33

Yeah we have a Christian chamber coalition and we're starting to see Christian chambers pop up all over the country now I think we may be up to about 14 or 15 maybe, and some others are in the works in just different states across the country and it's so cool to see and to see how the leaders of each of those chambers actually come together on a consistent basis to share resources and to see how can we pray for one another, how can we support one another you know attending each other's events, and I mean it's just it's. It's really what the kingdom is about. You get to see the kingdom played out and I love that.

Speaker 2: 1:09:18

Well, thank you for going a little deeper on that. I would love for you both to share your hearts on what are you working on? What is your business all about and, like, what's on the horizon.

Speaker 3: 1:09:31

Excellent question. So currently we are taking a sabbatical from ministry. There's a beauty about when you're resting, how God is moving. When you wait in him, he works on your behalf. So on the horizon is our spiritual, true global. On the minister side, we are an equipping center, so so that that we're looking forward to, once we get out of the sabbatical, to move forward with um as it relates to kingdom reach, leadership or leadership strategy firm we're looking for to do a foundation in the future because we recognize that there are. I'm from the Caribbean.

Speaker 3: 1:10:16

And there are a lot of needs, a lot of needs, a lot of needs for discipleship, a lot of needs for leadership, and we want to, we want to be able to to to bless as many as possible that the lord enables us to be a blessing to, because his generosity is so, so, so full towards us anything, you would add my love and um.

Speaker 5: 1:10:44

you know we do the strategy sessions just really helping people to capture the heart and mind of God for their business and understand what that looks like from a strategic and a tactical perspective. Our second leadership boot camp and it's a three-day experience. It's a full day, like three full days, of kingdom-driven professionals just coming together and masterminding and really getting clarity for their businesses. We're really enjoying that. So the next one will be in May of 2025.

Speaker 3: 1:11:28

And recently licensed as a TL facilitator transformational leadership for Taylor. The difference with Kingdom Reach leadership, like Boot Camp, is that it's grounded in scripture and partnership with the Holy Spirit, with Jesus at the center. Well, now, as facilitators of the transformational leadership, you don't hear Jesus, you don't see any scripture but he's there but he's there and the and the.

Speaker 3: 1:11:58

So we can go into any organization and bring leadership. You know the organization with the different constraints that they're having and helping to overcome those constraints. And then for those organizations that says no, no, no, no, I want you to bring scripture, I want you to ground this in scripture. Now we can do both.

Speaker 3: 1:12:17

We can do both for the organizations that don't want to hear the scripture from a facilitation perspective and we can also bring it to those organizations that said I need the word of God and I need the spirit of God in my business.

Speaker 2: 1:12:32

Incredible. I cannot wait to see what he does with both of you over this next year. If you were to like, could I have you? You know, as you can probably tell, I love testimonies. Maybe a recent testimony of somebody that's worked with you, has had a strategy session. Obviously, you probably don't want to give names or anything that would breach any confidentiality, but maybe like an overarching testimony that somebody could be like oh yeah, like that's what I need.

Speaker 5: 1:13:05

OK, so there's there are a few people that come to mind just recently, but I'll share the one. So there we have this one client who came to us at the end of last year, considering really desiring to leave his full-time job and launch out on his own, and he had a time frame of three years to do that, and so he wanted to sit down with us and sit down with us and just start working toward that, you know, step by step. Well, this same person, you know, we met with him a few times over the course of the first half of the year, and then this person attended our leadership bootcamp in May and the very next day he quit his job, so with turning his resignation in, and they wanted to keep him.

Speaker 5: 1:14:04

Yeah, they wanted to keep him. Yeah, they wanted to keep him. Um, he ended up quitting and his business is thriving. Like, within six months, what he thought was going to take three years took about six months or so. Um, and his business is thriving, correct? You know, it just took off, um, and so we're like, wow god, you really are an accelerator, and he's still a client today. Yeah, he's still a client.

Speaker 2: 1:14:33

I love it. Thank you for sharing that. Did you have another one that you wanted to share as well?

Speaker 3: 1:14:39

Well, I would say for those who are listening they can go to kingdomreachleadershipcom and go to the bootcamp page and they'll hear testimonials of those who recently like this is like recent okay, went through our bootcamp, so you heard latondra share, but sometimes it's nothing like hearing from their own mouth correct I've got videos yes, yeah, we have their videos.

Speaker 5: 1:15:04

Yes, amazing.

Speaker 2: 1:15:07

well, I am just so thankful that, um, first of all, that, uh, the Lord's connected us and, second of all, um, as you've heard, I, um, you know, do this for the one, and I would love for both of you um, either together or, if one of you want to, um, kind of step up to the plate, but if you could just imagine that one who's listening right now, is there anything else that you would want to say to this person, and would you be open to praying over them today?

Speaker 5: 1:15:38

I'm going to ask Briston to pray, but I do. Oh, he's excited, and but I would love to just say this to the person who knows that God has spoken that's good.

Speaker 5: 1:15:53

But they get discouraged because it seems hard. I've been reading through the book of Joshua and I'm reminded that, even though God gave them the promise and he told them to go into the land and take that, he had given them the land. That was the promise of God, but even still they had to fight for the land. And so I would just want to encourage anyone who has received a word or a promise from God. You know that the Lord has spoken about where your business is going and what he has given to your business. It doesn't mean that it's going to be easy, because there is an enemy who doesn't want to see the fulfillment of that promise. So you still have to fight.

Speaker 5: 1:16:47

You know, don't get weak in the knees and weak in the hands. Just understand that he's there. His grace is sufficient. Little by little, don't try to do it all at once. Just step by step. Understand what step of obedience the Lord is giving you and take that step. And don't try to do it all at one time. Don't get overwhelmed, but just one step of obedience at a time is the way that you find.

Speaker 3: 1:17:15

That is so good. And, hey, somebody may be listening. And they said you know, I'd love to reach out to you, 407-917-5386. Again, 407-917-5386. Let me pray, let us pray.

Speaker 3: 1:17:31

Father, thank you for the hearers. You have given us ears to hear, you've given us eyes to see and, holy Spirit, we're asking you to give us salve, ointment for our eyes so that we may see. And in the areas of our lives where you're saying repent, I pray, lord God, that it will be so easy, because your goodness leads to repentance. You have so much more in store for us. But not only, lord God, do you want us to give us salves for our eyes. You want to give us, lord God, that white robe. You want to clothe us, lord God, in your righteousness. And so, father, for that individual or whoever is listening, lord God, I just pray that even now, they will just rest in your righteousness. Holy Spirit, you're the one who convinced us of righteousness, of right relationship with God. And so, holy Spirit, I just pray that you'll do your work. And I just pray, lord God, that for those who are listening, lord God, they will buy gold from you. G-o-l-d. They'll buy gold from you, and your word is so clear.

Speaker 3: 1:18:55

What is the gold standard? It is a standard of love, because these three things remain faith, hope and love, but the greatest is love. Someone is listening, who needs to know the love of God, who needs to rest in your love, who need your love, lord God, to wrap them and just hold them. I thank you, lord God, that your love is so great that nothing can defeat it. Your love is so high that nothing can scale it. Your love is so deep that there's no depth that it cannot reach, and your love is so wide that there's no width that it cannot reach out. So, lord God, I pray that whoever is listening, they will know and understand. They'll have the power to know, understand the height, the width, the depth, the length of the love of God in Christ Jesus towards them and their business and those they serve. Thank you, father, for doing this. In Jesus's name, amen.

Speaker 2: 1:19:59

Amen. Thank you both for sharing so openly today. I am going to close with our anchoring verse over Hope, unlocked it's. May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace and believing so that, by the power of the Holy Spirit, you may abound in hope. And that's Romans 15, 13. I'm going to be sure to add Bristan and Latondra's contact info so that you can get a hold of them. Definitely check out this boot camp coming up in May. I know it's six months out, but I'm sure that you can get ahold of them. Definitely check out this bootcamp coming up in May. I know it's six months out, but I'm sure that you want to get that on your calendar and let's see here. Thank you for being brave voices who set others free. Might have you on at some point. You're open to that.

Speaker 5: 1:20:43

Yeah, this was fun. Can I make a correction to something I said? Because I want to make sure that I'm clear. Our knees and our hands will get weak at times.

Speaker 3: 1:20:53

Yes, yes.

Speaker 5: 1:20:54

But God's grace is sufficient, and he is the one who will give us the strength to continue. I want to make sure that I clear that up.

Speaker 2: 1:21:03

Thank you, you're amazing. Thank you both for coming on, and I will be back with another episode next week. Thank you, listeners're amazing. Thank you both for coming on, and I will be back with another episode next week. Thank you, listeners, take care.