Radical Faith in Action: Michele Keen’s Journey of Obedience, Revival, and Trusting God’s Plan

In this powerful episode of Hope Unlocked, host Kristin Kurtz welcomes her dear friend Michele Keen to share an inspiring journey of obedience, revelation, and unwavering faith. Michele opens up about her unique calling, which has taken her across the globe—from Washington, D.C., to Israel, Uganda, and now Texas. With her custom-built van, Michele has embraced her role as an itinerant minister, deeply rooted in God's vision for revival and the transformative work of the Holy Spirit.

Michele shares poignant insights about stepping out of comfort zones, emphasizing the necessity of relying on God's plan rather than our own understanding. From her personal story of surrendering control to her ministry's impact in Texas, Michele offers profound lessons on trust, obedience, and hosting the Holy Spirit in our daily lives. She also dives into the concept of the "Bridal Covenant", unpacking its significance for believers as we prepare to rule and reign with Christ in ultimate oneness.

This episode is rich with revelations about walking boldly in faith, embracing the unknown, and partnering with God in a transformative, eternal mission. Michele’s testimony reminds us of the beauty and strength found in complete reliance on God and the joy of stepping into His plans.

Michele's contact info:
Facebook messenger - facebook.com/michelekeen

Resource mentioned:
Check out Jesse Duplantis' video where he discusses the differentiation between people in the garden and those in the city. This portion starts at the 41:20 mark and lasts for about five minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/live/Luw6cMuPLVc?si=pEYfGGQRRN17cHbU&t=893 

Chapters

• 0:16 Unlocking Purpose With Michelle Keen
• 11:58 Stepping Beyond Comfort for Greater Purpose
• 20:07 Seeking Assurance for Departed Friends
• 27:55 Exploring the Bridal Covenant With Jesus
• 41:11 The Bride's Preparation for Oneness
• 52:56 Power of Praise in Worship
• 1:06:57 Intimacy and Obedience With Jesus

Transcript

Speaker 2: 0:16

Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast. I'm your host, kristen Kurtz, and I'm also the founder of New Wings Coaching. I help and empower wildhearted and adventurous women of faith feeling caged and stuck, unlock their true purpose and potential, break free from limitations and thrive with confidence, courage and hope. If you're curious to learn more about coaching with me, head to newwingscoachingnet and be sure to explore the show notes for ways to connect with me further. Get ready to dive in as we uncover empowering keys and insights in this episode. So tune in and let's unlock hope together. Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast. I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host. I pray this episode is like a holy envy of hope for your soul. Please help me welcome my sweet friend, michelle Keen, to the show. I'm so excited to have her here today. Oh my gosh, it's been a long time coming, but this is the timing that he's had already prepared for today and I'm so excited. So could you tell us a little bit more about yourself?

Speaker 3: 1:13

Yes, kirsten. Thank you so much, first of all, for having me here. It is an honor, it is a joy. I'm just excited just for how God always moves in and among us, and to get to be here is huge.

Speaker 3: 1:26

So my life I guess I've to explain it I've done a lot of travel. I grew up in the Foreign Service and through that, the Lord opened a lot of doors for me to do ministry abroad, that kind of thing. Primarily, he's had me targeted in the United States and in Israel and in Uganda. He's had me targeted in the United States and in Israel and in Uganda, and now he's positioned me here in Texas, where I was in the Washington DC area, and then he had began speaking to me about the revival that's coming to our nation back in 2012 and in 2020. I took some time to find out God's steps for me and he said get, get a van, get it built out, I'm going to position you for the revival. And, lo and behold, he brought me to Texas.

Speaker 3: 2:09

I wasn't planning on it, of course, you know he brought me here and what he's doing is amazing. So it's just, I guess my, what my heart is right now, too, is just really receiving the revelation. Well, my heart is right now too, is just really receiving the revelation knowledge of the Lord. It says in second Peter, one three, that all everything according to life and godliness is in the knowledge of God. So getting those Holy spirit downloads is amazing, and getting to share them is even better. So that's what I'm looking forward to today.

Speaker 2: 2:41

I'm so glad you're here. Um, if you would take a second just to share a little bit more about your van adventure, I think it might be something that would be very interesting for somebody to hear about.

Speaker 3: 2:53

Yeah, so I left Washington DC, had the van built out in California, really had no idea whatsoever what it was going to look like. My assumption was that I was going to be moving place to place. The Lord actually did give me the word itinerant as an itinerant speaker, so I figured I'd be speaking at different churches, and I still believe that that is the case to come, but not so much with all the mobility that I was expecting. He has truly brought me to Texas, to the Houston area, and planted me here and we're starting a little church here. He said that when he, when he told me to build out the van, he said that I'm going to, you're going to bring the church to people who would never go to church and you're going to help raise up the church, the church to people who would never go to church, and you're going to help raise up the church. And it's neat too, because a word was given out.

Speaker 3: 3:53

I saw a video by Tim Sheets where he had a prophetic word and he saw God showed him all these white cargo vans being sent out and he said that they were the Ekklesia response team. So I get to be a part of that. But yeah, so there's a lot that God has shown me about where he's positioned me, visions for the impact in this region. I also do a lot of redeeming of land, praying into specific targeted areas that he'll take me to, so there's been a bit of that as well. But it's really where most of my ministry has been just me and the Lord and ministry into the land. Now he's like I'm invested in the land of people's hearts. That's the territory I'm after. So that's where I'm getting more involved. So in my campground, just the things we're doing in that respect. That's where he's moving.

Speaker 2: 4:40

Yes, and Michelle shared a picture of what it looks like and it's just a beautiful space that she's created to bring the word, and I don't even know what else you're doing there. Well, you can share.

Speaker 3: 4:52

I don't want to share for you, but if you'd like lot of things about this being like a Havala, and I had to look up. I love it when he gives me words that I don't know what they are. Havala was apparently, um, you know how? Eden had four rivers running through it, and the Pishon river ran through Havala, which is the portion of Eden where the gold is. So he was saying you know that this is Havala, this is where the gold is.

Speaker 3: 5:20

He's spoken a lot about um, given us Zechariah.5 with regard to our campground, and actually one of the guys here had a really powerful dream with a wall of fire all around us and a cross in the middle, and that's what Zechariah 2.5 is all about, where God says I, I am the wall of fire around you and the glory within your midst, and then. So we're expecting big things. It's still baby steps right now, but I know that God says you know, don't be dismayed at small beginnings, because he just wants us to be willing and available. We don't need to have it figured out. Actually, it's good that we don't know where we're going, so we're fully reliant on the Lord to guide us and we're not interfering with his plans.

Speaker 3: 6:00

So, but yeah, he's given me visions, for I'll say it, stadiums being filled. They're like, oh Lord, okay Lord, I don't know how that's going to happen, but you know, the how is not up to us. So we're part of a big plan. He just wants those who are willing to be partners with him in it, and then he'll make it happen. And it's all about obedience, for sure. Well.

Speaker 2: 6:24

I love. I feel like you need to repeat something because one of the things I hear often whether you know, sometimes in clients or you're just people out on the street, just in general like I have to figure this out.

Speaker 3: 6:37

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 6:38

To figure this out. I have to figure this out. And what did you say about that?

Speaker 3: 6:43

again, it's actually better that we don't know how to the how is not up to us. That is his territory and actually it reminds me of. I remember years ago I was given a word about being used in the marketplace in big ways, and so that was when, on one of my trips to Uganda, when I got back to the States, I started putting my hand to all these different, you know business opportunities and investing in different things, and then I started losing money hand over fist. I'm like Lord, what's going on? Because here I am trying to make it happen, and it's not up to us to make it happen. It's up to us to come in alignment with him and submit ourselves to his plan. But I was trying to make it happen and then one morning, when I was in my frustration, the Lord said clean out your fridge. I'm like, excuse me. And he said clean out your fridge. You knew I was going to use you, and so you put your hand to things, but everything in there is getting downright rotten. It's not being used. You need to clean that out so I can put mine in there. I'm like, okay.

Speaker 3: 7:44

So I canceled every contract, every agreement that I'd gotten myself into, and then, after I did that, I hopped on my bike and just went to just release and just go for a bike ride and just release it off my back.

Speaker 3: 7:58

And as I was biking, I'm biking in one direction and there's this guy who's like running down the same path towards my direction and he has this black shirt and with big white letters on it and it says now, let's try it my way. And I almost fell off my bike like, yes, lord, let's try it your way, because my way sure doesn't work. But but we have to. You know he knows that we struggle with that in our humanity. And then and you know he knows that, and sometimes I feel like he needs to let us experience what it's like to try to make it happen and fail so that we come to the end of ourselves. And then he's like, okay, it's sort of like you know he he's standing up to the side, like, sure, knock yourself out, see how that works for you and when, when you're ready, come back here and we'll do it my way.

Speaker 2: 8:45

So I've gone through this whole hard knocks of learning to do it his way and not my own. Before you get into a lot of what you wanted to share, um, would you be willing to give maybe a big example of? I know you said you laid down some things at that time. But have you had any maybe more recent experiences where, um you know, because at least for me, sometimes it on paper it doesn't look like it makes sense, right?

Speaker 3: 9:08

How about?

Speaker 2: 9:09

you lately.

Speaker 3: 9:10

Laying things down. You know, there's one thing the Lord told me a few years ago. He said you know how it says in his word let no man separate what God has put together. And he, he expanded on it and he said let no man separate what I have put together and let no man hold onto what I'm taking apart. So, basically, you want to be in line with the Lord in whatever he's doing, whether he's assembling or disassembling, and especially with where we are right now, where things are very black and white and he is ushering his remnant into higher places. If we'll give him our yes, our complete and total yes. And to do that we're going to have to let go of things in the other season. That could be relationships, friendships, could be family. I've had to do things on all those levels. That could be relationships, friendships. It could be family. I've had to do things on all those levels. It could be laying down work and clients.

Speaker 3: 10:11

Dying to one thing was, yeah, dying to mammon. People think mammon is money. Mammon isn't money. Mammon is a principality that lords over that area of our hearts where you can be serving mammon if you are all about the glitz and glam and all the material things. But you can also be serving mammon. If you don't have a lot and you're stressing about it and you're not trusting god for the provision, you're putting your hope in your bank account. You're putting your hope in in jobs that are coming through. That's still serving mammon.

Speaker 3: 10:40

There was a lot of laying down in that respect where he would take me down to nothing Like all right, lord, this is going to happen, but he carries you through and it takes getting down to those bare bones to have that breakthrough of getting to the other side so you're not going around that mountain again. But it really is a just all right. I am trusting you with everything I got and that's what I've learned through a lot of these laying down of different things. So laying down my desires is that, especially on the hottest of fires, it's like I've come out to realize, lord you, that you don't realize how much God is all you need until God is all you've got. That's, you don't realize that God is all you need until God is all you've got. When everything else has been stripped away and he's the last man standing and he's keeping you afloat, it's like nothing else matters. And when he's got that in our hearts boy, what he can do with that.

Speaker 2: 11:44

And like I don't know about you, but laying so many of these things down has brought such a peace in my life. How about for you. Yes, yes, it's the moment sometimes, cause we all do.

Speaker 3: 11:58

Yeah, it may be hard in the moment, but when you get to the other side, oh my goodness, you don't even have words for it, and that's that's the thing that has always carried me through any of these when he's called me in acts of obedience. Sometimes there are things where where, literally, it's like you know if you can picture a door, doorframe, and I've got hands and feet on the doorframe I'm like no, I'm not going through. But then I remembered the goodness of God, and that's what it always comes down to. For me, it's like you are a good God and even though I cannot see in any way, shape or form how this could be good for me, obviously you have a perspective that I haven't experienced yet, and I can count on your goodness to know that, regardless what it looks like right now, there's something amazing on the other side, and that's what I'm holding on to. I'm holding on to your goodness, knowing that you're going to be faithful, because you always have been, and when we keep our focus on his goodness and not the situation, hell or high water, we will go, we will give our yes and he'll take us through.

Speaker 3: 13:06

And it won't be comfortable, he told me years ago. He said I'm going to make you, I'm going to push you so far out of your comfort zone. It's actually going to be comfortable to be uncomfortable and that's where it's gotten to be, where it's like when you're comfort, when you've come to that point and it's like that comfort just is just irritating now, like nothing's growing here. It's like I can't stand it. Like Lord, he's like you know, let's you know. And that's the thing too. Like you know, when Jesus went to heaven he gave us the comforter. He gave us the Holy Spirit, a comforter and a guide. But the problem is we cannot experience the Holy Spirit's comfort as long as we're in our comfort zone or we're with what's familiar and comfortable. We have to step outside of our comfort zone to receive the Holy Spirit's comfort, and his comfort just sends things to a whole different dimension.

Speaker 2: 13:53

I do this for the one and we're speaking to the one. I feel like that was a word for somebody, that you say that again. I feel like sometimes it bears repeating.

Speaker 3: 14:04

Sure. So when Jesus went to heaven, he knew it was going to be difficult. He knew that these walks of obedience were going to be very uncomfortable, but he gave us the comforter, the Holy Spirit, to be that comfort for us. The problem is, too many times we stay in our comfort zone, relying on our own comfort, and as long as we do that, we're never going to get anywhere and we're not going to do anything for the kingdom. It requires stepping out of that boat, stepping on the water, and when we do, when we abandon our own comfort and we step out into the unknown, that's when the Holy Spirit catches us and we get to experience his comfort and he takes us to a whole different level we could never imagine can you share, like a recent moment, like you said that you're, you're in a moment of, like some moments of being uncomfortable.

Speaker 2: 14:53

Right, I'll be honest you know,

Speaker 3: 14:57

being uncomfortable, right I'll be honest, even even you know, starting church here. That's not comfortable for me at all. It's like I like to be hidden in the secret place with you, lord, just you and me. And he's been very clear. It isn't like he has the whole. He's revealed the whole plan to me. It's more of like he gives me a little bite here, a little bite there and I don't always know what we're stepping into.

Speaker 3: 15:28

And I remember I've gone and spoken at conferences, like in Uganda, and he, as much as I would try to prepare, he's like I would just be blank and he's like just go up there and open your mouth. I'm like what? I'm like? No, I'm like, in front of this whole audience, I have nothing. And you want me to just go up there and open my mouth and trust that you're going to fill it and that's what he'll do.

Speaker 3: 15:46

But that's when the Holy Spirit moves, because if you really want to see the Holy Spirit move, you've got to be willing to let it get messy. Where you're not in control, where no ducks allowed, you can't have your ducks in a row. The more that we're abandoned to him, the more we make room for him and the more he can move and do the impossible, and that's what I want. But and I'll admit, I don't have it perfect I mean, I try to scrape and scrounge for some nuggets and try to do it in my flesh and it's never the way it is. When Holy Spirit steps in, and those moments I just relish like, oh okay, lord, Lord, help me with my confidence and my courage to do that more with you, because, yeah, it's scary.

Speaker 2: 16:33

And that's and it's. It's so interesting because, you know, for me, when I hear you speaking, I'm like this girl's powerhouse. I'm like this girl's powerhouse when she's like we can have our own like ideas. Or, you know, whether it's enemy or ways that we were raised, different things that came about in our path that caused us to maybe think of ourself a different way than what the world would experience the other side of what you're doing, right, but that's what makes it even more powerful, I think, when he takes somebody like Moses, kind of like when I was called to do this podcast, I'm like dude, like we talk, dude, where's you got Aaron somewhere out there? And no, no, you're the one and you get to say yes or no, right, so to be able to be a vessel, yeah, of his goodness through you, an imperfect one, right, it's that much more powerful, wouldn't you say, like I love the underdog oh, absolutely.

Speaker 3: 17:40

When you hear stories of the underdog, people celebrate that. People don't celebrate the people who are on stage and known for xyz and um, that's one thing too, that's.

Speaker 3: 17:49

The lord had me recently in first corinthians 13, the love chapter, and he really emphasized because when, when we step out into things and we're scared, it's because we're, we are we, we are not and we're not flowing in love, because love and fear don't exist in the same plane, right? So I was reading 1 Corinthians 13, and you know how it says in the beginning you know you can have, you know the gift of knowledge and tongues and prophecy and all these things. You can burn yourself at the stake and give to those poor and do all this, all this. But if you have not love, you have nothing. And what he hit me with is it isn't just that you don't have nothing, because that space is going to have something in it, it's not just going to be void.

Speaker 3: 18:33

The fact is that if you don't have love, you have self-righteousness, and what you're doing is motivated by self-righteousness and that's going to cause destruction. And that's why, as you continue in that chapter, it says that you know love is not puffed up, it does not seek its own, you know it doesn't parade itself because it's not about me, it's about you, lord, and when we get ourselves out of the way that that's when the Holy Spirit can just flow. But yeah, it's a process, though we all struggle, because we all, you know, came out of the womb holding tight fisted to that tree of knowledge to get an evil. And you know, white knuckled, holding onto that tree and like the lord's like, slowly, by slowly prying our fingers off, because he wants us to embrace the tree of life which, quite honestly, is a tree of the knowledge of God.

Speaker 2: 19:25

And you've done some teaching on that before. Yeah, I'd love for you to share what's on your heart. I know like when I reached out to you, there was there was something that it's hard for someone to hear today.

Speaker 3: 19:42

Yeah. So he's had me in a space right now just in the past three weeks. That is blowing my mind to shreds and at the same time, opening my heart in ways. I'm like, oh gosh, you're so good, you're so big, you're so beyond anything that we know. And it all spurred. It was all spurred by an unfortunate event about three weeks ago.

Speaker 3: 20:07

A very close friend of so, here in this campground where we're at, there's a lot of full timers where it isn't so much of people transient coming and going. It's people who are stationary, have been here a couple of years, that kind of thing. So we are a very close neighborhood. We do life together. It's amazing. And one real key person in our campground, who actually his RV is directly across from mine. I'd wake up in the morning. He's always got the happy face. He's always bright and shiny. It was always his desire to get the campground together. Do different events, things like that. He was very actively involved. His name's Jimmy. Do different events, things like that. He was very actively involved. His name's Jimmy and everybody loved Jimmy. Three weeks ago Jimmy got in an accident, with a semi fatal accident, and died instantly and it wrecked this campground. I don't say it didn't wreck it as in destroy it, but we were all shaken, put it that way, and it's like, just all of a sudden, just like that, he's not there.

Speaker 3: 21:08

So I have a really, I guess, different approach to death, in that and I mentioned earlier that, um, growing up I was with the foreign service, my father was with the foreign service, so every two or three years of my life, we moved into a different country, and it was just my way of existing that I knew that every two or three years, I was saying goodbye to good friends and knowing that I'm never going to see them again, and so I always had this idea that it was idea that, you know, it was great that we spent time together. Now I'm going to go this place, you know, or maybe you're going to that place, I'm never going to see you again, but it was amazing that we had our time together, and I cherish that, and so I've always taken that aspect of goodbyes to to death, and so death has never bothered me. That being said, though, the people that I have died in my life really have been more like distant relatives, that kind of thing. Sure, jimmy's death, however, did you know I was stuck.

Speaker 3: 22:11

And because I'm he's. His RV is right there, right across from mine. Every morning I'd see him. He was always like you know, light in the campground and all of a sudden he's gone, just like that. One day he's here, the next moment he's not. And as I sat with it, then I realized Truly why I was really so bothered by his death. And it was. I was, I wasn't sure where he was spending eternity, and that really really concerned me. And it was the first time, first time I've had a friend die and first time I've really had someone close to me that I had to ask that question. Yeah, not a lot of deaths in my life. Yeah'm sorry. And so I was just, really, just, you know, alone with the lord and all that. And it's like, lord, what? What's going on?

Speaker 3: 23:02

and here's the thing, jimmy, he had seed in him, his mother was apostolic, okay, um he only came to our, our church gathering here once, but so many times we would have conversations separate from all that.

Speaker 3: 23:18

You know just just you know and Pat, he would come over to my van and we would talk for hours and he would ask me questions about the Bible, questions about God, questions about what you know, you know, living a life for the Lord, different things like that.

Speaker 3: 23:30

He of course had his own ideas and rebuttals and those kinds of things, but he asked questions and he, that seed, got in there. I know it, and I'm not the only person he would have those conversations with either. There are others in a campground that he he had those conversations about the Lord with. So I knew there was seed in there, but I don't know that he gave his heart to the Lord. I mean, he never did in my understanding, in my friendship with him. So I was like Lord, you know where is he at. And as I was spending time with the Lord, one thing, one way that the Holy Spirit speaks to me is with words, where the Lord will drop words on my heart and the words that I don't typically use, and so I have to look up you know the definition, which I love.

Speaker 3: 24:20

I know, I didn't come up with that one, this is totally you. So all of a sudden, the Holy Spirit goes indictment. I'm like indictment, okay. So I looked up the word indictment and indictment is a formal charge or accusation of a serious crime. Lord, indictment and indictment is a formal charge or accusation of a serious crime. And I'm like, okay, lord, like what? Like what are you saying this with regard to? And he said issue an indictment against the devil and do it now. I'm like what? Okay, okay, he's, because it wasn't Jimmy's time. The devil took Jimmy before it was his time. And and the Holy spirit was saying issue an indictment now against the devil. I'm like, okay, so in Jesus name, I'm issuing an indictment against you, satan. You had no right to take him. That wasn't Jimmy's time. And by the, by the authority vested in me, I'm issuing this indictment.

Speaker 3: 25:11

And then I heard the Lord say proxy. So I looked at the word proxy and proxy is the authority to represent someone else, especially in voting. So I said so, I stand in proxy, in authority to represent Jimmy and vote for his citizenship in heaven. I stand in petition for him in Jesus name. I'm like I'm just declaring these things. They're not making any sense to me, but I'm just doing what the Holy Spirit is telling me to do. And after I did that, then I, then I hear the Holy Spirit say together again, together forever. And I felt the breakthrough. I'm like what? And then I hear him say this is not the end, it's the beginning.

Speaker 3: 25:49

I'm like and then he said prosecute him as in prosecute the devil. I'm like all right, we are officially prosecuted. You definitely consider yourself as officially prosecuted. I'm standing before the courts of heaven and you are being prosecuted here and now. And total breakthrough, peace. All that you know, fresh, all that you know.

Speaker 1: 26:11

I was up in knots and then, all of a sudden, peace, the presence of God.

Speaker 3: 26:13

I'm like, lord, what just happened? This isn't making sense to me. I'm like is this okay to do? But I know this is what you said you're telling me to do and I'm feeling the effect of your presence and your power right now. So explain to me what just happened. Can you show me biblically? You know what we're doing here. And the first thing the lord said, he said there's a lot more to all this than you know, okay. And and then he reminded me of have you seen the movie after death?

Speaker 3: 26:46

um by angel studios, who had been the chosen I'll have to look it up yeah, it's well. It's a good movie. I do feel like they could have done so much more with it.

Speaker 3: 26:56

I feel like opportunity to do more, but there and they have reasons for why they did things the way they did, but there are, there's a big nugget in there that that just speak volume. So, basically, what the movie, the premise of the movie, is it's an actual documentary where the they went and interviewed about 50 people who have had near-death experiences, people who have died and come back again and they didn't have all 50 on the movie, but they selected from those to do the testimonies and there were those who had heavenly experiences and there were those who had hell experiences. And all the hell experiences had a common thread. There was a similarity in each one of them and that similarity was everyone who talked about having a hell experience.

Speaker 3: 27:43

They talked about falling. They're in pitch darkness and they're falling in this abyss. They're just falling in this abyss and then for some it was a light started whipping around them. Others Jesus actually appeared before them and reached his hand out to them and said choose now, choose me now. Will you choose me? And I remember like one of them was. It was an atheist and he's like I have denied you my whole entire life. I have no right to choose you. And he's like choose me now, before you hit the bottom and you're in hell forever. Choose me now. And and like the bottom, and you're in hell forever. Choose me now. And it's like.

Speaker 3: 28:18

This is the amazing grace of God, because God truly decides that none should perish and the Bible says if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that he is Lord, then you'll be saved. So even in that final moment, as they're falling down, in hell before they smack and hit the hell and are stuck there for eternity. In that moment, the Lord is in, there, calling people out, and I'm like, oh my God, lord, you are too good, I mean the goal is wonders like you know, how Lord can you let people go to hell?

Speaker 3: 28:48

You know we in our broken nature, we desire that none would go to hell. And how can you let people do that when you're so much, your heart is so much better than us, and this is would go to hell. And how can you let people do that when you're so much, your heart is so much better than us, and this is there's so much more that we don't know, yeah, and so he first reminded me of that.

Speaker 3: 29:01

I'm like, oh okay, and I knew with all that seed in jimmy's life that if he had that encounter he would have said yes yes but there was more to it.

Speaker 3: 29:10

So. So the lord began with that, and then he reminded me about a revelation he gave me about 15 years ago, and it was, interestingly enough on the heels of a friend, mentioning a book called Life After Life, which also deals with near-death experiences. It's a book where the author interviewed people who you know weren't Christians like Muslims, buddhists, that kind of thing and they had, you know, they had died and come back, and they all had the same thing to say they were like we saw light and a man in a white robe, what, and and. When I was asking the Lord about all this back then he started explaining some things to me and and he's so he started reminding me about those things just in the past few weeks when I was asking him what's going on and what he what he showed me.

Speaker 3: 30:03

This is where God is moving us into new revelations, where you know we're we're moving. He also moves from glory to glory and really our time here on earth is not the end. There's so much more and one thing that he has done a lot. Well, first of all, you may know that anytime god says something, obviously it's important if he says, it's really important if he says it three times, but in no uncertain terms. Do you ignore what he's saying?

Speaker 3: 30:27

really really really really, really means it say that again, say that again and say that again, right, like when, when the angels are around him going holy, holy, holy, because words cannot contain just how immensely holy he is. It's just that the threes just emphasize things, takes them to a whole different level. So with me he'll do that a lot of times when he gives me a message, like three times that confirmation, but sometimes he also does where it's a three-step progression. And so with regard to that, he said there's the old covenant, the Old Testament, the old covenant. He says there's the new covenant, but there's a third covenant. It doesn't stop with the new. I'm like, oh, there's a third one, he's. He's like, yeah, it's the bridal covenant. Like, okay, lord, all right, what are you saying? And and so he. So he was talking about that.

Speaker 3: 31:25

And so here's another thing there's there's a lot of books that I feel I'm to write. Actually, to be honest, the very first prophetic word I ever received when I in my life, when I was 16 years old, was that I was going to write multiple books, and I practically laughed in the guy's face because I hated to read, I hated to write. I was even kicked out of an English class because I was told I couldn't write Right, but when Holy Spirit does the work it's a whole different thing. So I know there are different books I'm going to write and one the books I I really have burning in my heart is called tip and safe sacred cows, because yeah, there is so much that our church doctrine has bought into that isn't necessarily accurate, but we just take it as word because that's what we're told right and we're not questioning and seeking it out for ourselves.

Speaker 3: 32:13

And one of those church doctrines is and I know people are gonna be like, well, that you know that's heresy, but this is how it's so ingrained in us we're just told that Jesus is God, but Jesus isn't God. Jesus is the son of God and the way, the reason the churches come into that place is because Jesus, you know, says, you know, I and the father are one. Or when you've seen the father, you've seen me. Yes, that's true. Because it's speaking of such a deep, intimate connection. That relationship is so so and just, just, just, you know, just, I can't even, I don't even have the word to explain just how light that connection is. And it's that relationship, that, that, that, that that Jesus desires of us.

Speaker 3: 33:01

In John 17, 21, where Jesus is speaking to the father, says that you and I are one and we desire that all believers be one with us. So if we're one with God, does that mean that we're God? Of course not. It's just that the relationship needs to be that caliber. And if you're trying to understand the truth on that, well, go to the cross. And it's like how could Jesus say my God, my God, why have you forsaken me if he was God, and how could he be separated from God if he was God? So so it's. There's a lot in our understanding, in our western culture that misconstrues eastern culture's way of communicating and I think there's things like that where we've just assumed that Jesus is God.

Speaker 3: 33:50

It's like, you know, there there's this relationship that we miss out on if we see it that way. But when we understand that Jesus is the son of God and their relationship is so tight that, you know, if you've seen me, you've seen the father we should be in a place where we can say that Jesus and I are one. Or if you've seen me, you've seen Christ, because we should have that intimate connection as well. And that's what he was emphasizing. He's like when, because I was like what's the bridal covenant? Like I mean, and here, so I'm going to sort of take a little bit of rabbit trail a bit. Here's the thing, too, that he was explaining.

Speaker 3: 34:27

Imagine the people in the Old Testament, right, and there were prophets that knew that there was more to come. There was the Messiah that was coming, coming. They had wisps and shadows of the new testament, but they didn't have a full understanding of it, right? So take that and then shift it over to the new testament, where we have wisps and understandings of you know, of what it's like you know, in the new millennium, and it's like you know, when we're at the marriage piece of life we. We hear that it's to come, but but we don't have, we barely have, we don't have an understanding about it. So that's the same. That's where we are right now. There's so much more, so much more. Just like for the Old Testament, there was so much more which we now are privy to in the New Testament. But now we're in the New Testament and there's so much more in the bridal covenant that we don't know.

Speaker 3: 35:18

So to assume that that we can fit all of god into our little minds and our understandings is, you know, right, right, um. So so going to, as the lord's explaining about the bridal covenant, what's that like? He's like. That oneness is so tight. You and I are one. When a bride and her husband are truly to become one, there is no place where I end and you begin. So if I? So, this is Jesus speaking. So, so if I can go into the abyss and cat and call people out, so can you, because when you do it, it's as if I'm doing, it's as if you do. You know it's.

Speaker 3: 35:58

There's no differentiation there's no differentiation between whether it's you or me. We're one. I'm like what the wow that's now that's yeah. It just took the understanding of when he said all authority is given to you to trample on snakes and serpents and all the powers of hell, and nothing, nothing will by any means harm you. And that was when he says all authority is mine, I'm giving you all my authority, and also that's in what Luke 10, 19. And then in Ephesians 1, 3, it says that every single spiritual blessing in heaven that belongs to Christ is ours. Now it makes sense, because when we're one, we, we, we, you get it it's like we're wrapped in all that he is, he's and we're in him and it says that in the bible.

Speaker 3: 36:45

But we don't understand just the gravity of how big that is when you go back into the word and start reading it, with that understanding like, oh my god, there's so much and we're not touching the fraction of what you died to give us. There's so much for us to be walking. And then he's like here's the key, you can walk in it. Now we're in a crossover season, we're at the end days where we're crossing over into that new era and where there is like cross, there's like sort of I don't know spillage coming. You know, from the, from the neck air coming through and that's why there's so much, you know like, um, so many words coming out there about you know, be willing to let go of the old because god's doing something new and it's not going to make sense to our old church doctrine. Because we're in that crossover season, because, because we are on those final last days, so here's the fun part.

Speaker 3: 37:38

He then told me I'll go and research what the marriage process is for a Jewish wedding.

Speaker 3: 37:43

I'm like okay, all right. So I looked up the process and apparently there are two phases to a Jewish wedding. The first phase is the betrothal. Now Now the betrothal, which is also called the kidushin. The betrothal is not, as we understand, an engagement. The betrothal is actually when you're betrothed to someone, you are legally wed to them. In that moment You're already legally wed. Now there are key things that happen at a patrol, though. Number one the groom pays the bride price for her. Guess what that is? The groom paid the bride price. That's the cross right. And then the bride and groom sign a contract together where she gives up her life to be in union with him, their salvation for you. And they seal that contract with a cup of wine. It's communion, and even the bread part of communion. When you know when we, this is your body, and it's two becoming one, it's two becoming one it centralizes the two becoming one so

Speaker 3: 38:58

those three things. Yeah, the new testament is the betrothal, that's where we are, but the patrol, as I said, is you are legally wed, you're right. That's why, you know, at the last supper, jesus is speaking in these terms, you know, and and the, the disciples being jews, they understood that the jewish marriage process is like. Why is he talking in marriage terms? Because what happens after the betrothal is the groom, so the bride, she stays where she is, she stays on earth, put it that way and the groom goes to prepare a place for her. He goes, he goes to get to prepare a home for her, to for them to be together in hello.

Speaker 3: 39:47

Wow, so new to this? I'm just reading this is what I'm reading. You know what study? This isn't any biblical. So this is how the jewish process is. You have the betrothal, where you have the groom pays the bride price, the bride and groom sign the contract where she, you know, lets go of her life to join with his, and then they seal it with a cup of wine, with this cup to thee I wed, and then she stays where she is, but he says you stay here and I'm going to go and prepare a place for you.

Speaker 3: 40:13

And then I'm coming back, and when I come back then we're going to have our marriage the actual wedding, the marriage feast of the lamb, and then, and then in our you know, in the terms that we're speaking, then we're going to rule and reign together with him for eternity. I mean rule and reign. I don't think we know that really means to truly rule and reign with him, truly with that intimate as one. And here's another thing too, because I asked, so I also looked up, okay?

Speaker 3: 40:43

so let me actually explain a little bit the second part so that's the first part of the second part is the marriage, which is called nisuyim, and yeah, that's where the groom comes back for his bride. They have the marriage feast. She goes to live with him. Okay, I did say that they rule and reign together, but then I asked, I was curious so what is the role of the bride while she's waiting for her groom? Right.

Speaker 3: 41:08

So I look that up. And what the bride does? She makes herself ready and maintains her purity. Hello, yes, and I was looking up. So Revelation 19, seven to eight, says let us this is speaking of the marriage piece of the lamb Let us be glad and rejoice and give him glory, for the marriage of the lamb has come and his wife has made herself ready. And verse 8 goes on to say so that's the purity and it's just. Everything just matches. And you know what else she does when she's waiting for her husband? She goes to a mikvah. Do you know what a mikvah is? I don't. A mikvah is a pool of water where she is immersed, and it's the Jewish tradition for a bride to go into mikvah and it's symbolizing letting the old life go away and coming up fresh and clean to join with your husband. I can't make this stuff up.

Speaker 2: 42:21

I know If you guys could see our faces right now. It's so amazing.

Speaker 3: 42:31

It is. Yeah, there's all these religions out there, but this is an internet. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 42:41

Yeah, but this is an internet yeah, yeah, yeah and and the whole. So that oneness, though, is something that I just really want to emphasize the fact that he's saying the reason you could, you could issue an indictment and stand in the proxy for jimmy's, because you're one with me and you have the authority to do whatever I have the authority for. I'm like, it's that one, it's like, as you're there, it's like I'm there, it's it's all one in the same. And the key, too, with all that is because there's a lot of so I just want to explain who the bride of Christ is.

Speaker 2: 43:13

Yeah, there's, you know there's. There's some people who might wonder, like they don't have all this revelation that you've experienced so far.

Speaker 3: 43:23

Who's going to get to enter into into that? So revelation 22, 14. So I'm I'm dealing with the back of the book as we're entering, you know, closing out that covenant to enter into the next covenant, you know it actually says um, I forget which verse, but in in revelation 22, where it says the spirit and the bride say come.

Speaker 3: 43:45

And actually just a little side note on that, what the Holy Spirit was showing me about that, what that means, that is what it's like when the bride has truly become a place where the Holy Spirit can truly, where the bride has really come to a place where she can truly host the Holy Spirit. And it's that bride, that powerful warrior bride, who is truly hosting Holy Spirit. She's saying come, come. There's so much more Come. And let me show you what we get to be on the other side of this. There's so much more than what you're experiencing right now. But what we're experiencing right now New Testament was experiencing right now. New testament was so vitally necessary to get to the next level. But but it doesn't mean that we stay in this place. You know, sort of like a rocket ship when it's surging up to the moon or into outer space, it has to let those stages off. They have to fall off, otherwise they'll compromise the intent yes yeah.

Speaker 3: 44:41

So, just like in the old testament, they had to abandon the animal sacrifices. Right, don't do it, because jesus is, you know, took the place of that. And we ourselves also have to, you know, sacrifice and lay down our lives, take up a cross. But then the lord's blowing my mind because he's like, on the other side, this I know this is like a big thing to say and and this is something we have to process and we're not there. But there's not going to be sacrifice on the other side, this battling of the flesh, we're going to move in so much liberty so much freedom and power.

Speaker 3: 45:16

Can you just try to consider that for a moment, just entertain that for a moment, try to consider that for a moment, just entertain that for a moment. What is to be truly limitless? So here's the key, though, and this is why it's so important what our walk with the lord here on earth right now because not everybody's going to be part of the bride yeah so let's take a picture.

Speaker 3: 45:39

Let's look at the, the tabernacle. You have the outer courts, the inner courts and the holy of holies right, and then the outer courts. There's a whole lot of people right, there's all the israelites. But once you get into the inner courts you just have the priests, and then of course, the holy of holies was only in the one, the high priests. So the deeper you go in, the fewer the people are yeah so this is have you ever seen?

Speaker 3: 46:03

um uh, jesse duplantis has an amazing testimony when he went to heaven. I haven't, oh my gosh, you need to find it, I'll have to.

Speaker 2: 46:14

I'll have to have you send it to me and we can put it in the show notes okay, okay, absolutely.

Speaker 3: 46:18

Um Okay, okay, absolutely, of any testimonies about heaven. His so resonates in my spirit. And because the Bible specifically says that the tabernacle is was created after the blueprint of heaven, right? So what Jesse says, when he went to heaven, when he got there, first of all, he got there and there was this gorgeous garden, beautiful garden, and it was filled with people and garments, and the name of that garden was Paradise.

Speaker 3: 46:51

There are a lot of people in that garden, yeah, but those were the people who had given their heart to the Lord but hadn't actually lived their life fully for him. Okay, they did recognize him as savior, so they were able to come to heaven and they were in the garden and they had garments.

Speaker 3: 47:11

And then there was the city, the city of the new Jerusalem, and he said, within the city, that people there had robes, exquisite, royal robes, and they were the ones who laid their lives down for the Lord. They were the ones who just abandoned everything for him. They are the bride is what I've come to understand. When Jesus said in my Father's house, there are many, many mansions and I'm going to prepare a place for you. So the ones who get mansions are those who are part of that bridal company, those who have laid down their life for the Lord. They're going to have a mansion in the city and, of course, the throne room is the Holy of Holies is where is, you know, is where the father is the.

Speaker 3: 47:59

Holy is where the father is. But the key thing that I was seeing in all this is that's why there's such an emphasis. Because let me go back to Revelation. What was it? 22, 14. I don't think I actually mentioned that one yet. Revelation 22, 14 said blessed are those who do do his commandments, that they may even have the right to the tree of life and may enter through the gates into the city. So the bride are the doers, those in the garden are just the hearers. You don't want to be a hearer, only you want to be a doer, yeah you want to be a both end.

Speaker 3: 48:37

Yeah, you want to be a both end? Yes, absolutely. You recognize him as savior, but you don't stop there. He, truly your lord. That's what it is when you, when you do, when you lay your life down and you, you're just completely, hopelessly abandoned towards him. That's when he is your lord, not just of a corner of your heart, but he is your lord through and through and you will go anywhere, no matter what it looks like, what we're talking before. I don't, I can't see anything good out of where you're taking me, but I want to trust on your goodness, because you are my Lord and there was no other option for me. I gave you my yes. There was no other option.

Speaker 3: 49:11

That's the bride, the other people out in the garden. They're really like, like the guests to the wedding. But and here's the key, here's a neat thing too. You know how you know, when jesus was on the cross and there's the one thief that said you know, remember me. And jesus said I'll see you in paradise, like it fits right. Yeah, wow, yeah, he's gonna be in the garden.

Speaker 2: 49:35

He didn't have an opportunity to lay down his life, but he at least gets to be in the garden yeah right, such an incredible like I love, I think, in pictures, like I'm always like it's almost like a movie is playing right now as you're talking, and I hope that the listeners are also like catching what you're you're saying as well, because there's a, there's a key difference between the garden and the city.

Speaker 3: 50:03

Yes, yes, do not just be a hero, only be a doer. It says in isaiah. You know, if you were willing and obedient, then we'll eat the good of the land. There's so much throughout the entire bible about being a doer, about, you know, obeying his commandments. Um, last year he had me wrapped around Joshua 1.7, where it said be strong and courageous. And it wasn't be strong and courageous to fight your giants, it was be strong and courageous to obey my word and do it, and in that you will prosper. And you do have to be strong, courageous to obey Because, like I said yeah, we talked about it it's like you have to do what he's like to be strong and courageous to obey Because, like I said, yeah, we talked about it it's like you have to do what he's like be strong and courageous to trust me and to actually do it Right. You know the wise man and the foolish man. What were the differences between them? The wise man is one who hears the word of the God and does it.

Speaker 3: 50:53

The foolish man is one who hears it and doesn't do anything with it and builds his house on sand. Amen amen around the bible. There's such an emphasis and it makes so. If you want, and this is the key our decisions here on earth is going to determine our hierarchy where we get placed in heaven for eternity.

Speaker 3: 51:09

You know, our time is but a wisp yeah and and when you get there, yes, thank god, you're going to be in the garden, but is that all you want? There's so much more, because when we get there, we just we don't just sit there and, you know, play a harp. We still have a call, we still have a destiny, we still have a purpose. Remember, we get to rule and we get to reign with our husband, jesus. What? Does that look like what are we doing together? What kind of missions are we on together?

Speaker 2: 51:35

I was like right, there's so much to that. Yeah, there's, yeah, there's more, but wait, there's more, there's more. So I, you know, when I'm listening, I'm often kind of imagining maybe somebody listening to you right now who's maybe saying well, like I don't have like something really big that some, you know, god's calling me to do, I'm just called to be a mom. You know, these are just things that I'm going to put out here to you to maybe explore a little bit more and just cover. But, like, I'm just called to be a mom, or I'm just called to be a teacher, I'm just you know, I hear that a lot Like I'm just this, but if he's calling you to something, because I'm all about the, but God said like I am your. But God said like come along, friend, like come on, let's go.

Speaker 2: 52:30

But would you just kind of touch on that a little bit, because in this world there's a it's you know it's upside down kingdom, right, so the people who are going to enter the city, they're not always going to be like the president or a movie star, or do you know what I'm saying, could you? Could you just kind of you know what I'm saying, where I'm?

Speaker 3: 52:55

where I'm going with this. Yeah, so there's a great book may have put a link to this one too, speaking of heavenly encounters and how encountered, um rick? Uh, rick joyner wrote a book called uh, the vision, and it's actually a combination of his two best books were the quest and the call, and these are. He had and he had encountered, or like visit, like where he was taken up to heaven or to hell or what have you, and the detail that he accounts is just amazing. But one thing I'll never forget is he actually was brought to the throne room and he said by the father's throne. There were all these other thrones to the side of him and they were where people who have truly honored god in their life were being recognized and he said, you will be amazed who's sitting in those thrones and who's not.

Speaker 3: 53:49

He said for example, in those thrones I saw a little housewife and she may not have done anything that the public knew about, but she prayed. She had a heart, so sold out out to the lord, whereas there's a big evangelist you know, pastor is in the crowd nowhere near those seats and that's the key thing.

Speaker 3: 54:08

God is all about the heart. Yeah, he's about the heart. Is your heart towards him, or is your heart towards yourself, or you know? Um, this is a whole different tangent we could get into, but you know, when Lucifer and a third of the angels fell, they were all worship angels. Lucifer was a, was a, was a worst His. He was an archangel assigned to bring glory to God. That's actually what his name means. Lucifer is a English translation, a true. His true name is Halal in Hebrew, which means glory to God, and that's what his assignment was to in hebrew, which means glory to god, and that's what his assignment was to do. But he put glory to himself, but he was the archangel over all the worship angels. Well, when they were all kicked out, the bible says a third of the angels, and they were all kicked out because he you know he got prideful and they were in line with him and that's where they became the demons.

Speaker 3: 54:59

Here's the key thing. They were still designed to worship, but and they still function. But their whole agenda is to get you to worship anybody but god. They're so focused on getting you to worship yourself. Worship celebrities, worship material things, worship success. You name it. Fill in the blank. Worship, of course. Yeah, worship the devil himself. You know just anybody but god. And that's what the tree of knowledge of good and evil is all about. You know, eat this fruit and you'll be wise. You don't need him, you'll be wise like him and you can. It's all about you. And so, knowing that it's like those who have completely separated themselves from that whole idea and have truly their whole life just encompasses worship to the lord, because god wants to fill that space, that void in heaven, where those worship angels are. He wants to fill that with an army of worshipers, and that's what he's doing here on earth by by giving us a choice are you going to choose your way or yahweh? There we go amen, yahweh.

Speaker 2: 56:02

There's the new t-shirt.

Speaker 3: 56:04

You know the right yeah, yeah, because because he, he doesn't want to fill that void with, with, with, with those who you know, just put, just just fill it up and with the, with the chance of having, you know, it happen all over again, where, where, where those that he put in in that void are now worshiping themselves too. No, that's why earth is really like a, a proving ground, a testing ground to find the new company of worshipers that are going to be positioned in heaven. And it's our decision here on earth that determines whether or not we're going to be a part of that worshiping team. And that's huge and that's also why our worship here on earth, while we're here I mean it says in Psalms how, like you know, when we praise, that God is enthroned on our praises. So, when we're going through a difficult time, praise him, just honor him, worship him, and then he is enthroned on our situation and he can rule and he can reign and he can take care of that situation. If we don't praise him, he's not enthroned on that situation. And we're fighting and struggling, but the best thing to do, and the hardest thing to do, is to be that sacrifice of praise.

Speaker 3: 57:13

I heard a testimony once of the power of praise, where there are all these churches who decided to come out into the streets in LA and just praise and worship God. This was years and years ago, even before Sean Foyt, you know, started doing let us worship. But they were, and this was a key thing, it was different churches coming together despite the denominations, and that was that. That unity was huge. And well, the witches came out because they wanted to dismantle it, but they got out there and the presence of god was so power because of the praise that there are witches who actually said what is this power? We know power. We don't know this power, what is this?

Speaker 3: 57:50

and a bunch of them got saved that day because, yes, we don't realize that praise is hell's achilles heel, because they're designed to be worshipers, but they only worship anything but God. When we choose to worship God, they can't handle it. They fall to the pieces. Yeah, so praise, praise.

Speaker 2: 58:11

Yes, I'm so with you on that, like in some of the most challenging times since I've been a believer, um that it's always been so highlighted to me to just get in that posture of praise because it is, it's violent. It's like, you know, just like just like Jehoshaphat's army, I think I'm saying is. I always wonder am I saying his name right? But it's okay, jehoshaphat, jehoshaphat, jehoshaphat, anyways. But that battle strategy of sending out the worshipers first, it confused the enemy and they slaughtered each other. Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2: 58:55

So what does that look like for you If you were to share, if somebody is listening today? What does that look like for you tangibly? Um, to get into a posture of praise if, if you're maybe walking through something challenging, if somebody's wondering like, well, how does she do that?

Speaker 3: 59:11

yeah, I just I'll just sing and I'll just praise him. Um, one of my darkest moments, um, it really is a sacrifice because your flesh doesn't want to do it, and that's the thing you're dying to, that and you're making him holy or making God is the one, the only one, that matters. And when we do that, the amazing thing is it shifts our perspective and it shifts our attitude and suddenly we're not focused on our problem. Here's the thing I actually believe that praise is more powerful than prayer. I'm not negating prayer. I'm the thing. I actually believe that praise is more powerful than prayer. I'm not negating prayer, I'm just saying I think praise is is. I've found a more powerful weapon because you can get into prayer and next thing, you know, you're so focused on the issue and your faith isn't getting built up because you're sort of desperately asking for help in this situation. And there may be moments for that kind of thing, but I have found where my go-to is just to praise you. Yeah, yeah, me too, for sure.

Speaker 3: 1:00:10

It shifts you out of any desperation. It shifts you out of lack of faith. It builds up faith. It creates faith. Joy, literally. Yes, the joy of the Lord is our strength when we start praising the Lord and we enter into the joy of the lord is our strength when we start praising the lord and we enter into the joy of the lord. Someone can get through this trial, whereas before it was, it was trampling us and now it's the other way around yeah, absolutely well.

Speaker 2: 1:00:34

I'm just curious if you were to think of like a song that has been, like if you had a record player and the record like ended up getting indented because you played it so many times.

Speaker 3: 1:00:47

Really, do you have one of those songs? I don't have one of those songs. I don't think, because I just listened to a variety of things and sometimes it isn't even a song, it's just I'm just singing to the Lord. Also, just singing in tongues is so powerful. I'll do that, because sometimes I won't even know what, what words do I even sing? That's the best thing. When we have the gift of tongues, we can just sing in in our prayer language and it's the perfect song and we don't have to try to fathom you know what, what the song, what the words are. But there is a song that you gave me that I'm thinking of right now, that I think maybe it's meant for one of our listeners or a bunch of them.

Speaker 2: 1:01:27

That's why I was asking, because I think that there's a song for somebody, but people call me god's dj.

Speaker 3: 1:01:33

So the one that's coming to mind right now is dancing on the grave.

Speaker 3: 1:01:38

Oh, yeah, right for that one too yes, yes and yeah, she actually says in the song that praises my weapon, and the words are are amazing, it's it's such a song of victory and joy and, wow, this person is going through a hard time.

Speaker 3: 1:01:57

She sure is it. I mean, it's just like night and day difference from, you know, trying to get through that tough stuff in the world or in our own strength. And this is a joy that comes from that song and, yeah, trampling on on those chains and yeah, amen, that that's what it comes back to, that authority and if we can sort of come back to just for a moment, that an intimacy with the lord of when he's truly our husband and we are truly one, that's why there's such emphasis, you know, like on John 15, about the vine and the branch. And you don't want, you want to be disconnected from the vine. Abide in me, abide in he word is in me, and I know people talk about dwell. I feel that abide is even more intimate than dwell. Dwell is sort of, I feel like side by side, where it's like I can dwell with my roommate but I abide with my husband amen, very good, that's good.

Speaker 2: 1:02:54

Yes, well, I feel like I want to have you back another time when, especially when your book babies okay being birthed. Um, one thing I'd want to ask is there anything? Well, is there anything else that you'd want to share? Um, specifically around this, um revelation that you've had? I don't want to cut you off if you had more I think that's really it.

Speaker 3: 1:03:17

I think holy spirit really hit it um but if there's anything that you're to walk away from. Yeah, just knowing that we are because we're betrothed to him. Now we are already legally wed to him we already have all of his authority. We already have all of his blessings. Everything that says is already ours. As we choose to abide with him, we enter into that intimate place where we truly become one, and that was what's just been turning my world upside down right, because I I was in a place where I was like, lord, I need the third book.

Speaker 3: 1:03:54

I was like it's now, it's like it feels like the old testament is old news. I want the third book, like I don't even know if I can read your word, which is horrible to say, of course, which is I'm not, that's not going to happen.

Speaker 3: 1:04:04

He said he said knowing what you know now. Now go back and read my word and see how, oh my gosh, every it. Suddenly it's like the word of god is a whole different book now, with that understanding, and you get and you can see all the places throughout everything you say. You've been saying this all along, we just didn't get it. Now it's a whole different understanding and it's just new food for my soul. That's. That just takes you higher.

Speaker 3: 1:04:34

So, if I can say anything, just spend time with the Lord and come into that place of really understanding. Wow, we, you and I are one thing that you are, is, is in me, and it's like there's no place where you start and I begin, or you end and I begin, and you know. You know we get to do these things together and and and be a doer. You know when he calls you, even though it doesn't make sense, trust that he's a good God, trust that Jesus is an amazing husband. You're not doing this alone. Be a doer because your eternity matters and it's not just about your eternity, because then that could be focused on self. But you know it's worship to the Lord to do the things he calls out to do.

Speaker 3: 1:05:17

And that's what we're here to do. We're here to worship him.

Speaker 2: 1:05:21

Yes, yeah, that's what we're. We're here to do, we're here to worship him. Yes, and can I? Can I just add to that too, because I feel that there's just a little part that we could add, if that's okay. Um, so, the doer aspect so when he's calling us to do something, there's somebody else that's waiting for you to step forward. Yeah, you're, you have an effect like if, if you don't go step out, there's somebody else that's not. Thank you for saying that, because there was one thing I was absolutely I was doing the wrong thing.

Speaker 3: 1:05:54

Put it that this way. And the lord apprehended me. And then I cut it off immediately. And when I did, he said thank you. I mean mean this deep thank you, like from the bottom of God's heart, if you can imagine how big his heart is and how deep that thank you would be. And then he said I don't just thank you, but everybody you're called to touch thanks you because your decision right now affects them.

Speaker 2: 1:06:16

Yes, yeah, it's like, like it's so, it's so beyond us yeah it's so beyond. Yeah, we're literally on mission we are here and when the more.

Speaker 2: 1:06:32

Yes, yes, yes so um, so one of the things that I do, I think you you did cover um quite a bit, but when I'm you know, like, as you know, like I do this for the one, if you could just imagine, um, typically women who are listening, just imagine that one woman listening in today. Do you have anything specific that you'd want to share and speak over her? And then would you be open to praying us out?

Speaker 3: 1:06:57

What I'm hearing right now is your husband, jesus, and he's saying I died for you. I died for you, I love you so desperately. I left heaven and I died for you. You are my love, you are my beloved. You are my love.

Speaker 3: 1:07:23

You are my beloved and that's the thing too, as I'm, as I've been growing in this, when I normally I pray to, when I pray, it's the father God. Now I'm finding myself reaching out to Jesus, but it's like I don't just want to call you Jesus, because I feel like an intimate husband and wife would have like a closer, more intimate name and so, like you know, just praying like my beloved, it's like, and letting yourself your heart, feel the love you would have for your beloved.

Speaker 3: 1:07:54

It's because it it has taken a whole different shape of that intimacy, my beloved, and just letting yourself your heart flow in, yeah, and that husband wife kind of love with him, and it just creates that deeper intimacy with him.

Speaker 3: 1:08:15

It's like wow yeah I mean, I've always had where it's like I've been so focused on Father, god and good father and yes, he is an amazing father and I'm never going to lose touch to that. But now, aspect Wow, and that's the thing. And when it comes to the doers, I don't want it to be a religious doing yeah of the doers. I don't want it to be a religious doing yeah, um, that that's that's the thing too is like when we are truly living and moving and having our being with our husband, um, there's no obligation anymore, there's no striving anymore.

Speaker 3: 1:08:55

It's such a blessing to get to be a part of him and a part of us and what we get to do together yeah it's a dance yeah joyful dance when jesus said if you love me, you would obey my commands, we in our flesh can think like oh, that's like shaming, like no, that's not what he was saying, that's just the reality. When we love him, we we can't help ourselves, which we just want to be a part of what he's doing. I don't ever want it to be a religious thing.

Speaker 3: 1:09:28

Give yourself the freedom he's been giving me. Freedom now to do things that I was always so restricted on and trying to even curbing what I know, adjusting what my time like when I wake up in the morning, and natural things like that he said don't worry about, just go ahead and do what you want to do. I'm like what he's like. I've trained you have so much that if you go there you're not even going to want to do what you think you want to do and.

Speaker 3: 1:09:55

I've done that, where it's like all right, I'm not, I'm just going to do what I want to do. And then it's like, yeah, I want to get back, you're way better, but. But it's where it's like now there's no obligation, it just so. It's like the old Testament was. You know, there's all this about. I'm going to all these details, maybe talking too much, but where it's like you know, when Adam and Eve failed at the, you know, when they fell, they saw what looked good and then they ate it.

Speaker 3: 1:10:30

So then they saw, then they did and then they became ungodly and what our walk is all about turning that ship around. But again it begins with what do we see and then or hear, and then and then doing with regard to that and then being becoming godly? And I found that the old testament was really like a place of coming into the understanding of god, to where it's like. That's where we begin to see and to hear the things of god. The new testament is when we're actually now stepping out and doing the things of god.

Speaker 3: 1:11:01

The bridal covenant is where we will truly be and that's what God has created us to be and that's what I want you to, whoever's listening right now, even because we're in that crossover place, just be, and in being with your husband, all those the do things are just going to, they're going to flow and they're going to be fun and they're going to be peaceful. I don't want you to try to do separate from your husband. So maybe I just want to caution that, because I know I do a lot, but the M is the B.

Speaker 2: 1:11:37

Yeah, that's good. I think that the way that you're conveying it isn't in a striving way, it's an obedient step, that there is an ease about it. But there is going to be. But you know, get people around you, that that get it, that are that understand this walk um. Wouldn't you say like find yeah find your people.

Speaker 3: 1:12:15

Yes, yes, they're, they're strength in numbers.

Speaker 2: 1:12:18

Yeah so, so well. Thank you, michelle, you are amazing. I'm so blessed that he connected us. For sure, I will definitely have you back when those book babies come out, because we want to make sure that people hear about it. So thank you for being a brave voice who's setting others free, and for all of the things that he's calling you to do is incredible. So keep going. And for all of the things that he's calling you to do is incredible. So keep going. And I will add to the show notes information that Michelle has mentioned and her contact information if you want to get a hold of her, and we'll be back with Michelle another time and I'll be back with another episode next week, so we'll see you later. Bye, everyone Later.