Unlocking Brave Obedience: Embracing Purpose and Overcoming Limitations with Kristin Kurtz and Jill McLaughlin

Join Kristin Kurtz, Life Coach and founder of New Wings Coaching, and Jill McLaughlin, a Functional Medicine Certified Health Coach and founder of Healthful Elements, as they dive into a conversation about empowerment, purpose, and their unique coaching relationship. Kristin shares her captivating journey from a corporate career to faith-driven Life Coaching for women, and how she’s been blessed to come alongside Jill as her coaching client. Together, they unravel their shared bond health freedom and a common mission to help others break through limitations.

This episode encourages you to step into brave obedience, leaving behind the familiar and trusting in your true God given calling and assignments. Kristin and Jill explore how overcoming doubts and fears—can help women rediscover their purpose and live "cage-free."

Kristin and Jill get real about the challenges and rewards of living authentically, and how community provides the support and encouragement needed for true transformation. Discover the metaphor of being "pregnant with purpose" and the nurturing process of delivering one’s potential. Whether you're a coach, health practitioner, or someone seeking change, this episode is filled with personal stories, metaphors, and practical insights to guide you toward a fulfilling, purpose-driven life.

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Chapters

• 0:16 Empowering Women Through Faith and Coaching
• 12:37 Stepping Into Brave Obedience
• 18:36 Unleashing Creativity and Overcoming Setbacks
• 24:58 Navigating the Coaching Journey With Authenticity
• 35:12 Transformation Through Deep Listening and Intuition
• 46:59 Birthing Purpose and Prioritizing Goals
• 1:01:42 Living Out Your Purpose
• 1:05:24 Coaching Mentorship for Health Practitioners

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:16

Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast. I'm your host, kristen Kurtz, and I'm also the founder of New Wings Coaching. I help and empower wildhearted and adventurous women of faith feeling caged and stuck, unlock their true purpose and potential, break free from limitations and thrive with confidence, courage and hope. If you're curious to learn more about coaching with me, head to newwingscoachingnet and be sure to explore the show notes for ways to connect with me further. Get ready to dive in as we uncover empowering keys and insights in this episode. So tune in and let's unlock hope together.

Speaker 2: 0:47

Hi everyone, thank you for signing up for our event tonight. It's going to be a casual conversation. We're going to go for about an hour but in the vein of it being a conversation, I want people to feel like they can raise their hand and ask a question or type something in uh, the Q and a. I want to make sure that the chat is open for everyone. That's a setting that often gets. I often have to check, okay, so I think the chat, um, so we have a lot of people signed up for tonight. You know many couldn't make it live. Some people are in a completely different time zone, so, if you're listening to the recording, thank you for taking the time. So I'm going to introduce Kristen, but I just want to say like we both believe in divine timing and like we've been talking about doing this for months. She interviewed me a few months ago and then I was like, hey, you know, I need to interview you and I don't know. Just, I had to reschedule, I think, a couple times. I don't remember like the specifics of everything, but, um, it's interesting that we landed on this date unintentionally.

Speaker 2: 2:08

This is the five-year anniversary of me stepping out on the plank with a huge article about health freedom, and the reason why this is so important in the context of this conversation is because I don't know that Kristen and I would have gotten so close because, if I'm not mistaken well, you can fill in the blanks here but I think you reached out to me. You'd been on my newsletter, yeah, for a long time. For a long time, yeah, and I published that article and you sent me some like wonderful heartfelt message and I think you said, hey, you should listen to this song. Wonderful heartfelt message. And I think you said, hey, you should listen to this song. Yeah, shocker, because now I know how, um, we both have this really strong musical like. We're both really into music and music really speaks to both of us and we share songs back and forth now. So, anyway, we've become really good friends and she's my coach now, my life and my business coach. So today's January 7th, seven is the number of perfection and completion. We had scheduled this and then I was like, oh gosh, that's the anniversary. That's my five-year anniversary of publishing my article, and that's how you and I got close, and so, anyway, this just all feels perfect.

Speaker 2: 3:26

Um, I am Jill McLaughlin. I am a functional medicine certified health coach. Um, I'm in my 19th year of practice. I primarily specialize in autoimmunity and hormone imbalances in women. Um, uh, well, I say I specialize in thyroid. I do, but because all of our hormones work together, I like to say that I'm a hormone specialist with maybe a little bit of a laser focus on thyroid. I do group classes, I do one-on-one work and I'm also very active in the health freedom movement.

Speaker 2: 4:02

So I want to introduce Kristen. So Kristen Kurtz is a faith-driven life coach and founder and chief empowerment officer. I love that title Of New Wings Coaching. After leaving a successful corporate career to answer a God-led calling, kristen has dedicated herself to empowering wild-hearted women of faith to break free from fear and doubt, unlocking their true potential With her unique blend of prophetic insight and practical wisdom. Kristen's coaching is both transformational and deeply rooted in purpose. Join us as we explore her inspiring journey, her passion for helping women soar in their God-given calling and the profound impact she's making in the lives of her clients. So welcome Kristen. Thank you so much for doing this.

Speaker 1: 4:51

It's wild to actually hear that, because you know when you're operating and you're calling you. Just, you know even your posts that you put out. I was like, wow, you're talking about me, do you know? What I mean, like as you're walking out the things that you do. It's sometimes it's kind of shocking to hear the the impact. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2: 5:11

absolutely, absolutely. Sometimes I hear things that other people say about me and I'm like really, is that true?

Speaker 1: 5:16

like so beautiful. So thank you um you are so welcome.

Speaker 2: 5:23

So we're going to go for about an hour. You know we don't want to keep people for a long time. But I apologize if I already said this I think I did, but I may have said it before I hit the record button. You are welcome to use chat and you are also welcome to use Q&A, or you can raise your hand and I will unmute you and you can speak and ask questions and in the vein of it being a conversation, you know we can break up this conversation with questions and comments. So don't feel like you have to leave everything to the end. So I'll kind of monitor at the same time that I'm sort of throwing questions at you. But I guess I'll start with. You know you've overcome a lot, right, you've overcome some big trials loss, addiction, feeling caged in a corporate job. So can you just kind of tell us a little bit about your background and how that led to where you are today?

Speaker 1: 6:22

Yeah. So I think the main, the main vein of growing up was a lot of instability which led to a lot of moving. So I moved a lot between the age of 10, 14, you know, bouncing from literally California to Vermont and back and forth around the United States. It left me very confused. I didn't grow up in the church so I just when people would talk about God, I was like he's, like there's no way that there's a God Like. If there's a God like, I hate him Right. So by the time I moved here to Minnesota I was 14 and I was just broken.

Speaker 1: 7:01

And you talk about hormones. That age to be uprooted like 10 different times across the country was just, it was wild. I mean, talk about wild, it was literally a wild experience. And I got here and I was just like somebody give me a drink. I mean I can joke about that now and it's not really funny, but it truly was. It was like I need somebody to numb what I'm feeling right now because I don't know what to do with it.

Speaker 1: 7:29

So you know, consequently, got into drugs and alcohol, smoking two packs a day. I was just a promiscuous girl, you know, designated drunk driver, like I mean I shouldn't literally not be standing here right now, but we can look back on our life and see where, especially those of us who were saved I was saved from addiction when I was 25. I can see literally where his hand was on my life and the grace by the grace of God, I am still here had a huge rock bottom. You know experience. And when I was 25, a year after we got married and I mean I gladly the first time I went to church I was like what is this? This is weird, Like the pastor's speaking to me and I ended up giving my life to Christ very quickly and full on, like deliverance from alcohol, drugs, smoking, two packs a day.

Speaker 1: 8:25

The thing that took me a little while to give up was my trucker mouth, my sister's, like you might want to like tone it down a little bit here. And I'm like, yeah, but subsequently, shortly after getting saved, I had two miscarriages and I honestly thought that my life was going to be like Cinderella after I got saved, because I don't know why. I just thought everything's going to be great now and it's been a long journey. But I was actually even told that I wouldn't be able to have kids. And I did. I had two boys who are obviously now 16 and 19. And that actually was one of the first moments that I started questioning the medical establishment honestly, because I was like, hmm, you're telling me I can't do this.

Speaker 1: 9:16

And I had a really bad experience with my second miscarriage as well. I won't get into that, but it was. It was a horrible, horrible experience in the clinic and that actually led me to not work with male doctors anymore. So that's a whole other story on that end. But that was, those were some of the big areas of my life that were really crushing honestly. But it's produced. You know, I have such an empathetic heart, like I've just always been one who wants to like deeply know people. I want to like know the in and out of people, and even when I was like you know, drinking and doing all the crazy things that would be at music concert festivals, carrying around my camcorder, like I want to hear your story, tell me your story. And they're like, ah, so I've just always been really interested in people's stories, I think partly because I wanted to just hear, like, where is there a common ground like with people? And there usually is some kind of like common vein that brings us all together. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1: 10:28

yeah, yeah, and I just have to but especially when you get like kind of divinely connected to somebody, there's always something.

Speaker 2: 10:36

There's always something that is like oh my gosh, there's a huge connection here yeah, and I just have to say that label of fertility or you know you're never going to have children can be so devastating. I've worked with a lot of women over many years who've had that. I don't want to call it a diagnosis, it's just a cop-out. I mean, there's no such thing as unexplained infertility, that's just. It's just a bunk label that the medical establishment puts on women. But I know so many women who were given that label and went on to have one, two, three, four children. I mean, it's so. I know that you've called your sons your miracle babies or your your miracle sons, or something like that.

Speaker 1: 11:26

I do, and they are. I mean they, they truly are. I look at them every day, especially. I mean I don't think I should, if I wasn't here, they wouldn't be here, Right, Same thing. It's like you know, you're looking at these really challenging parts of your life. I like to help people kind of look back at like, okay, there was this moment that was super challenging, but what was the fruit from it? And had I not left California and had we not moved all those times and ended up here in Minnesota, I wouldn't have met my husband and then had my kids, Cause obviously I couldn't have my two boys without my husband, Right, I mean?

Speaker 2: 12:03

yeah, yeah. So the end is on everything, and you've talked a lot about like brave obedience and trusting God and, yeah, you know, brave obedience can also mean sometimes doing some scary stuff. Yeah, so talk about what brave obedience means for you and like work with your clients.

Speaker 1: 12:28

Yeah, and I mean, even just today there was a vein with one of my clients, without you know, sharing their story or what have you. It's really giving a yes to something that you may not have the answer to, you don't have the full path, you don't have the full path laid out. You know, I think I look back at my own experience of saying yes to something that didn't make sense. I think a lot of that. To me it's like the equivalent of saying yes to something that maybe doesn't make sense or you don't have the full layout or the whole rollout, yet You're saying yes because God's you know having you don't have the full layout or the whole rollout, yet you're saying yes because God's you know having you to do something that is going to require being bold and it's going to be requiring being brave. I can give an example of, you know, I think, one of the most. I call it like a crazy faith step, and I actually have this little brave obedient postcard here that I can read from one of my books. Well, I don't know where I put it, but anyways. So do you want to go there, like to the job part already, cause we can? Um, that was probably the biggest brave, obedient step for me I've ever taken in my entire life, because I was working in the corporate side of what I call some of you may not like this, but lately, where I was working, I called it hell care, because it truly was. I was going through hell, where I was working from 2020 to 21, especially, and when the Lord said it was time to go immediately, I just had a yes in my spirit. I had a yes flowing through my veins. And yet, like flowing through my veins, and yet the on paper side, the analytical, like this isn't going to make sense, right. Being the breadwinner, having a good job, great benefits, you know people stayed at that job till they died because you know you have great retirement packages and you have all of the things that the world would tell you that you need to live a happy life, right? So I was in that, so kind of like for you. I literally walked off a plank and that's what it felt like. I felt like I was running off a cliff and I had a backpack on my back and I knew that there would be a parachute in there, but I didn't see it. Yeah, and the day that I left the job I had ordered.

Speaker 1: 15:06

I don't know if any of you guys have heard of crowning jewels. I love this prophetic jewelry. I would buy stuff from them when I had a big transition in my life and I bought a necklace, just a pendant necklace. Well, it was late. It was late coming in the mail and you know the date that it came. It came the day that I went to the office to grab my stuff and be done and I came and that's when this postcard and this little pendant came. And the postcard said brave obedience, yeah Right, I wish I could find it, I could read it, but anyways, it's truly. I have such a heart to come alongside women to take those steps, because I think there's way too many people that are blocking calling and purpose and your destiny, and purpose and your destiny, because there's people that are going to be around you going. But what if? Oh, but what if? And I'm sure you probably experienced a lot of that. Oh yeah, plank walking.

Speaker 2: 16:14

Yes, People were like don't do this, Don't do this, You're going to destroy your reputation and your career and your income. And I was like I have to do this. Like I, there's no other choice but to do this, I will get sick if I don't do this.

Speaker 2: 16:31

So let the chips fall where they may, right, and I mean I wouldn't change anything. But, um, you know you, you've you referred, you have referred to your prior life in the corporate world as a cage, and now you help women become uncaged, right, and one of the things that you've said is that your niche is empowering women who feel called to something greater, but they feel held back by doubt, fear or feeling caged. Yes, so I think there's a lot of women who feel that way, and men too, but yeah, absolutely I think a lot of women are. I think a lot of women feel that way, like they know that there's a calling on their life, but maybe they're fearful of stepping out or too comfortable with the amenities of either, you know, their corporate job or even women who have possibly been, you know, stay at home moms and they have the comfort of their spouse's income and they know there's. You know, maybe their kids are getting a little bit older and they've got a little bit more.

Speaker 2: 17:43

Maybe their kids are getting a little bit older and they've got a little bit more space and freedom in their life to do something, but they feel like, oh well, I'm too old or you know I've been a mom for too long and who am I to step out as an entrepreneur. So I think it. You know, I think, I think and you know I want you to speak to this. But, like people who have felt trapped by the income or the security of a job, but also people who you know women specifically, who maybe were stay at home moms for a while and I don't know if you've had any clients like that who want to want to do more you know they feel a calling on their life and you know the kids are still important, but you can still fulfill a calling on a part-time basis, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 18:33

Yeah for sure, and that was the cry of my heart. Literally every day I would. I called it the cubicle cage, the cubicle farm. I wasn't like I'm a cage free. I knew I was born to be cage free, right. So we have the cage free chickens and we've got the cage chickens. So I started to move into the. I want to be a cage free chicken because you know, chickens don't fly right, they kind of hang out together. I actually just was recommended a book called chicken run or a movie called chicken run. I don't know if you've seen it. It was the cutest thing ever. She said. You got to watch this movie.

Speaker 1: 19:13

Ginger is like she's the cheerleader, she's like you guys, there's more outside of the coop and that's like. So my heart, um, I literally would be in tears some days. I would. Just, I'm like I know there's more. I mean, I know that like I can, I can do this job, like I can do any job you put me to. Like I, I'm wise. I guess you could say when it comes to fulfilling, you know, the nine to five clock in, clock out life, I'll show up, I'll do more than you need me to. Clock in, clock out life, I'll show up. I'll do more than you need me to, but I knew that there was more beyond the walls, especially, you know, I went through Christian Coach Institute in 2017. And I, as I started operating in that not in the full-time basis, obviously, because I was working full-time, but I started to see the impact that it was having working with the few clients that I was working with, knowing that, yeah, I can do what I call some ninja coaching here in a job, like I can kind of walk up to somebody and ask them questions and they can get free, and you know. But it wasn't like I knew I could be operating in Right, and I think of a lot of women like myself that you know, if you're in a corporate job or you're in a job, it is, it's safe, right.

Speaker 1: 20:31

You think of, you know, the Israelites, and in Egypt they were slaves and when they were freed, they were like we just want to go back, we want our, we want our meat, we want the food we were eating before, but they forgot about the fact that they were slaves, they, they didn't know how to operate in freedom. And you guys, I'll tell you, it took me about a year to come out of that operating system honestly, because I started working when I was about 14. So about 30 years of working pretty much full time. So to come out of that it took some adjustment and even still sometimes I'm like, oh my gosh, it's Sunday night and I'm not having anxiety because I knew that there was more. So if you have that cry of your heart like that's probably the Holy Spirit's like tugging on you, there's something there.

Speaker 1: 21:25

I will say that there's a lot of women that I've worked with who you know, maybe something in their childhood like sideswiped them from a gift that they were operating in creativity, art, dancing, singing. I don't know, Maybe somebody came across your path and they were like, oh, you suck at singing. Somebody did that to me. It stole my voice when I was about eight, ten years old. Um, but to have some of those things that you love, to take a moment, just think back to those things that you loved doing. I believe that that god is going to start to like res. I say resurrect. Resurrect those gifts and the talents and your identity, because so many people there's like such an identity crisis right now, wouldn't you say?

Speaker 2: 22:16

yeah, yeah for sure. And one of the things that I know that you've talked about is um, working with people who feel like prior failures have disqualified them in moving forward. Yeah, which you know. It's kind of similar to the, you know, if you had something spoken over you as a child, even as a young adult, like having those things spoken over you that have stunted you, or having failed at something in the past, which we all have. Right, we've all failed. I have failed numerous times and I know that you help coach women out of hey, those things don't disqualify you. Yeah, they don't define you. What they don't define you, they don't define you or disqualify you. Yeah, what we don't define you, they don't define you or disqualify you.

Speaker 1: 23:10

Yeah, so would you like, do you have an example of um cause you've been in business for 19 years, Like, do you have an example of something that came across your path that almost sideswiped you because of that lie of failure, disqualification?

Speaker 2: 23:27

Not in this career, but in my prior career as an architect. Yes, so you know I had words spoken over me as a kid by a family member and you know I had this very profound experience when I was really young, like really young, like three or four years old where my mom and I my mom was in a barbershop quartet. She was a really good singer and we went over to one of her quartet members houses to pick up some sheet music. I remember this so vividly. And it was kind of on the outskirts of town. It was this really like beautiful wooded area and we're driving down this little like gravel driveway and there is this house. I can still see this house and I was like, oh my gosh, and I didn't know who Frank Lloyd Wright was at the time. But later in life I realized it was like a Frank Lloyd Wrightian sort of home and you know we stepped inside the house and my mom could talk to her friend and you know they're chatting about, you know whatever performance they're gonna do that next weekend. And I'm just looking around this house going, oh my gosh, like it wasn't fancy, it was just very unique. And I I just got this imprint, um, and this I said to myself at that time you know, like this is what I'm going to do, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to design homes.

Speaker 2: 24:58

And I did go to architecture school. But I struggled through school. I was a terrible student and I was a good high school student. I was good in art, I was good in math, I was good in drafting. I even took like a pre engineering class and I was I was, you know, a good student and I got to college and everything just fell apart. So I had gotten accepted into the architecture program and I was excited. But I was terrified and I know that those negative words that were spoken over me impacted my whole. The whole time I was in college I struggled, struggled, struggled, struggled, struggled, like I. It's, it's, it's amazing that I even graduated. I worked hard but I just couldn't really get into the flow of it. So that stunted my, my architecture career and I know it was those words that were spoken over me.

Speaker 1: 25:56

Yeah, Is it?

Speaker 2: 25:57

nothing else makes sense.

Speaker 1: 25:58

You know, like it's not like I was intelligent or bad at math, or yeah, well, I think, think the thing too, especially when you're getting started right, when, when you're just learning something and you're getting started in something and you feel like, at least for me I'll give an example of coaching, for me, you know, when you go through a school or you're going through some kind of training, they're going to give you parameters, they're going to give you a framework, they're probably going to give you some blueprints too, right, um? And for me, I actually almost didn't do my practicums because I thought, oh my gosh, I can't, I can't stay in this box. I, I'm too uncomfortable. Imagine that, um.

Speaker 1: 26:44

So actually, one of the clients that I've been working with for over seven years, she was one who actually came to me. I think she came to me, or was it her that came to me and she said I'll be your practicum, one of your practicums, and I thought, okay, yes, and that was kind of the okay, I've got somebody, somebody's here. But it came to a point like, within that first year, I actually thought that I was failing because I didn't think that I could operate that way. And what's beautiful is the Lord's actually shown me ways to run this business. That is different, but still operating differently. You know, you know what I'm saying. Like it's not, it's different, it's very different.

Speaker 1: 27:29

Yeah, yeah, I am different, like I have to remain. I tell it, like my clients, I'm like it has to be different. It has to be different and I was talking to you like a failure. You're different, right.

Speaker 2: 27:42

I was talking to you in our last coaching call about how you know like I hate AI and I hate the idea of AI, but I see all these people using it and you know like, oh, it could really save time. When you were like, nope, stay different. Nope, stay different, I was like, okay, she's giving me permission to stay different.

Speaker 1: 28:03

You stay in the lane. I kept hearing that today. Like, just keep staying in your lane, it's the best lane to stay different. You stay in the lane. I kept hearing that today. Like, just keep staying in your lane, it's the best lane to stay in. Right, yeah, and it's going to be the free way. It's like it's free. There's so much freedom in that.

Speaker 2: 28:18

And one of the other things that you and I have talked about is, um, not getting distracted by other voices and like the shooting on ourselves, like, well, this person's doing it this way, maybe I should do it that way. Or oh, this person has this blueprint, maybe I should do it that way. And you've talked about not getting distracted by those voices and doing it your own way, and one of the things that you and I have also talked about and, you know, one of the things that I think we really have in common is authenticity. Like you know, we came into this conversation with the agreement that it's going to be real and raw. I don't have any prescriptive questions and I don't feel like there's enough authenticity in the world right now.

Speaker 2: 29:01

I think a lot of people are trying to parent other people and do things the way that other people do them, and that is just not me. You know, and if I don't have a huge following, then I don't have a huge following. You know, and I know you feel the same way. It's like we have dedicated readers and listeners. That's all that matters. Like I'm actually happy when people unsubscribe from my newsletter because I'm like, yeah, I wasn't for them, great, now I'm not going to clutter their inbox anymore.

Speaker 1: 29:31

Right, I say I'm not for everybody and everybody's not for me. Like I can't appease everybody and it's okay. I think that's a big part of you know, being in business, you know, know, just even the collaboration piece to being able to refer people to other people, that's another part. I was actually told by a friend of mine who is a counselor she's like kristin, thank you so much for sending somebody to me rather than taking on somebody who needed more of, like a counselor. Um, you know, I guess you could say uh, environment, trying to use the words here Um, because a lot of times, you know, the coach industry can be, I don't want to say it's, it's just interesting, um, so, but being able to refer people out, so I'll have people come to me, maybe for a discovery call and like you might need a little bit more inner healing.

Speaker 1: 30:36

I've got somebody, like I've got a counselor. I have a health coach. Yes, I am trained as a holistic health coach, but that's not my main thing. Like, my main thing is doing what I'm doing and I can't help everybody. So, and I'm sure you're the same way too, where you know like, yep, okay, well, you're not a woman who has hormone problems or whatever. You're a man who you know and I'm just giving an example that needs something. That's not something that you, um, you know. Focus on being able to refer them out to somebody else and be okay with that, you know.

Speaker 2: 31:14

Yeah, I refer people out all the time. I mean, it doesn't behoove us to work with people that aren't. We don't really feel like we can help move the needle for right, like I refer people out frequently. So you know, and that that speaks to discernment, right, which is actually a word I've been using a lot lately. I've actually been talking with my daughter about discernment. She's only 11, but she really has incredible discernment and you know, my pastor was talking about discernment. You and I have talked about discernment. I've been talking with my daughter about discernment with this particular situation she has going on at school. And you know, that ability to know if you're the right coach for somebody, or know whether or not you can truly help them, is discernment, you know, because there's a lot of coaches out there who will say, oh yeah, I can help you, you know, and then they're, they're not the right fit.

Speaker 1: 32:16

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 32:17

So I've had a lot of clients come to me who've had bad experiences with working with coaches who clearly they weren't the right fit, but the coach was just so eager for the business that they person on and I think that's out of integrity, I think it's, um, it's, it's not how we operate.

Speaker 1: 32:41

No, no, and that keeps.

Speaker 1: 32:43

That keeps us different. It's one of the elements, you know, I think one of the things too, if I could just share. The Lord actually had me to do just a very short podcast episode last year about the difference between, like, counseling and life coaching. It's very, it's a very simple quote unquote formula. There's like a line of demarcation. So, basically, counseling is more dealing with your past. Right, if you're really kind of stuck in the past, you might need more of a counselor.

Speaker 1: 33:17

I would suggest I have counselors I could suggest you to. You've got a line in the sand and then you're like you're at the starting line. You're like I am ready to like tackle my future. I know I've got more, I've got this, I'm ready to run Like my past is there and we're all going to have, you know times. Our past is going to try to like pull us back a little bit, right, I mean, nobody's immune, I have it myself at times. But you are like in forward motion and that's where I like to say you're ready to move forward in purpose, you're not moving backward, right.

Speaker 1: 33:51

So I just wanted to put that out there because I realized that some people don't know what a life coach is and when you're operating in it, you, you think everybody knows what it is. And when I first started with working with the life coach probably I think it was about 10 years ago it was one of the most incredible experiences, because I think we all need somebody, we need people in our corner, and one of the visuals that I've been given, and kind of a confirmation even today on one of the calls I was on with a client, was I'm in the corner in a boxing ring and you're like out there in the fight. You get out there and get in the fight and you're going to get beat up. And if you don't have somebody that's in your corner and I call it the, but what if? Person there's the, but what if? People all over the place, they're like but what if? But what if? But what if? And you're like um, I guess this isn't gonna work out. Might as well just give up. Then you've got another. Oh, but what if? Oh, yeah, I know like you need somebody who's in your corner. That's like what's your? But god said what's your? Yes, what's the brave, obedient?

Speaker 1: 35:01

Next thing that you need to do, and I will kick your booty in a nice, kind way. Yeah, you're some water and some food. You're getting back out there. You've got, I like to say, places to go and people to free. That's my like, one of my like phrases over myself. Like get up, girl. I have to do it to myself too. I'm not immune from this. There's a lot of resistance that goes into operating in this purpose. Destiny calling right, wouldn't you say, on your end too.

Speaker 2: 35:36

Yes, and I love what you just said Places to go and people to free. I know you and I have talked about freeing people. I know that you free people and you know, one of the things I want to also talk about is like how you not the details of it, but just conceptually how you foster this transformation, both professionally as well as spiritually, in your clients. Yeah, we're here to free people and and some people are going to get offended, it's okay. I know that I've offended a lot of people, um, with my unapologetic stance on things, um, but that's okay, you know, um.

Speaker 1: 36:19

I've offended a lot of people too. I mean I've been kicked off social media. I've been. You know we both have. You know there's, there's.

Speaker 2: 36:28

We can't control what others feel or think right, but we can control if we're going to step into what god's calling us to do yeah, absolutely and there's a protection in that, even though it can be, you know, a little bit scary at times, or maybe we second guess ourselves if we know that we are walking that path that god has put us on. There is a protection there. Right, there is a covering, like we're covered, not that bad things necessarily aren't going to happen or we get this nasty email or whatever, like that stuff's going to happen.

Speaker 1: 37:03

But yeah, it becomes less. You know how they talk about like like water off a duck's back. I used to think that phrase, you know, back when I was dealing with just I mean, I still there's. I still have a lot of circumstances, right, it's not like my life is perfect, right, but as these circumstances come at me, the it's like that water off a duck's back. It takes less time to like.

Speaker 1: 37:36

You know, I need to lay down for a while. Let me just lay down and I'm going to get back, like I get back up quicker than I ever used to, but that's come with a lot of resistance training, right, you get stronger in the gym when you're lifting weights and you are sore the next day when you're using the muscles. So, um, I feel like sometimes I get to be like a personal trainer in a way, and a chiropractor, like, okay, let's get you back into alignment, let's come on. I use that today with a client. I was like, let's get you back into alignment, let's come on. I use that today with a client. I was like, let's get you on the table, we're going to get you back into alignment. So it's like a spiritual chiropractor in a way. You know.

Speaker 2: 38:17

And you've also talked about and I've witnessed this as one of your clients is just this incredible intuition that you work with. I'm also highly intuitive. I think that's one of the reasons why you and I you know I've become so close so quick is because we have a lot in common. But, like we're both highly, highly intuitive and sometimes in my coaching sessions with clients, I hear things coming out of my mouth. I'm just like where did that come from? You know, it's not prescripted and you've also talked about and I operate this way too.

Speaker 2: 38:50

It's like when I go into a session with a client, I mean I'll write at the top of the page before we get on the call, like the things that I want to make sure that we cover. But it's not a script, it's just little bullet points of okay, I know, you know she emailed me about this and I want to check in with her on that and we got to. I got to circle back to something we talked about in our last session. So I just got these bullet points. But I don't have a script and I don't have like a like a hard and fast roadmap, and a lot of the transformation that happens for my clients comes through my intuition.

Speaker 2: 39:29

I mean, yes, I'm very science-based, right, and all that stuff. And people are like, oh, you know, how do you know all the science? And I'm like I don't know, I really don't know. I just read it and it sticks. But you can't just throw science at people and expect transformation. Like you have to ask the questions, you have to, you have to use your intuition to really pull out of them Like what's, what's really going on? And so, yeah, you can talk about how you use intuition in your practice also.

Speaker 1: 40:03

Yeah, so I've, I've like, I've kind of termed it like a prophetic advisor, I guess, Because, like you said, it's those questions that come, that I don't pre-question, I don't. Like I said today to one of my clients, I was like, all right, you ready for the adventure today, Cause one of my clients, you know they have an option to send in like a pre-coaching form, you know, but uh, on this particular one she didn't send in one and say ready for the adventure, Cause I don't know what's going to happen. And we get to the end and we're like I, it's, it's like it's wild. That's why I say, um, kind of for the wild ones, I guess, um, who are open to going on a like a free spirit, like prophetic advisor, spiritual midwife adventure, because, um, it, it truly is mind blowing what happens. I, I'm, I'm like this is Holy Spirit working through me. It's like a three-way call. It's incredible.

Speaker 2: 41:18

Yeah, I hear you and I think one of the ways that that's fostered, I think, for both of us. I don't, I don't want to, you know, put my, but no, this is your time to. When you are a deep listener, yeah, which I know you are, because I've worked with you and I do deep listening in my coaching calls and I think one of the one of the things that allows me to be a deep listener is that I don't have a script Right Necessarily. You know, I've got these bullet points of things I want to make sure we cover Right, because I don't have a script. I'm not thinking about like, oh well, I got to get to my next question, or, you know it's like yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:02

And so I think that allows the intuition to come in and the and you know when you're, when you're listening deeply and you're using your intuition and, like you said, it is a three-way call. It ends up being a three-way call and I've had many experiences where I've gotten to the end of a coaching call being like, well, I'm not really sure what we're going to talk about, because this client hasn't really done a whole lot since our last. You know. It's like what are we going to talk about today? And those end up being the most mind blowing transfer transformative calls. It's incredible.

Speaker 1: 42:41

Yeah, it is, and it's such a gift, it's such a an honor, you know to to be able to do this work with people, because you know that you're helping people to like realign and recalibrate their life, their health, like on so many different levels, different things, but we're still, we're operating in a similar vein. We're just focusing on. You know you're doing more of the physical body, but you're also doing spiritual and I know it's more than what meets the eye right.

Speaker 2: 43:19

Yeah, yeah. I mean I always say to my clients I'm not a life coach and I'm not a therapist. They end up telling me a lot of stuff. You know it's good information for me, you know, because we know that, like, childhood trauma can affect the immune system. We know that. You know childhood trauma or even young adulthood trauma can impact you know it's like, so it's important for me to know. But I always go into it with the caveat that you know I'm not a life coach or a therapist, but I am a good listener.

Speaker 1: 43:50

Yeah, we have to be good listeners.

Speaker 2: 43:55

We have to be, and one of the things that you have also said is that we get transformed along the way in these relationships. Yes, in these relationships, yes, like there's a lot of coaches, a lot of health coaches, who do not do one-on-one work anymore, which I think is sad. I have been transformed through my one-on-one work with my clients like that deep. You know either a six or a program where you really get to know somebody, you really get to witness their journey, and things will get thrown at me that I don't know the answer to Right, yeah, and I go research it.

Speaker 1: 44:36

Right.

Speaker 2: 44:37

So a lot of people say, well, you know, I don't want to. A lot of people will say things like how come my doctor never told me this, or how come you know this, but my doctor didn't know. And I'm like, well, I'm sure your doctor has very good intentions, but they are incredibly busy. If they're in an HMO or a PPO, they've got seven minutes per patient. You know there's moving people through like cattle and I have the luxury of being able to go research stuff. Yes, I have that time luxury to to do that and yeah, it's um, I have been transformed because of these relationships.

Speaker 1: 45:22

Yeah, would you say, and even in in calls um, I I kind of touted it. One time I think it was a few years ago. I was talking to some yeah, that's what I remember now. I was talking to um, a friend of mine. We were kind of doing some like trade coaching calls Cause she's also a coach and I said to her you are a voice activator and it was like it got thrown out like a boomerang and it hit her and it swung around and it hit me and I was like it took me a moment, like whoa, that's for me too. I said that I was like this isn't just for you, like it's, it's for me to grab onto as well. Have you had a lot of moments like that?

Speaker 2: 46:05

Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1: 46:06

Like amazing, so fun. I just love to say that it's just so fun, like it's so fun to do this.

Speaker 2: 46:16

Yeah, it is. Sometimes I'm like, wow, you know it's like I I get paid to do this incredible work. You know it's, it is a lot of fun, it's really fulfilling. So really, in my sort of little bullet pointed list of things that I just wanted to make sure that we hit on One of the other things that you have talked about that really resonated for me and I'm sure a lot of your other clients is not laboring alone and I think you talked a little bit about it earlier in this conversation, where you know I don't remember your exact words but not working in isolation, you know, not working alone, but you've talked about the spiritual womb and pushing with a purpose yeah, and pregnant with purpose too.

Speaker 2: 46:59

Yeah, I think a lot of people are pregnant with purpose and they're not sure how to push.

Speaker 1: 47:07

Yeah. So I did a Facebook Live recently in this vein because he was showing me this pregnant with purpose thing, right. And then he started showing me that there's three trim trimesters. So there's the discovery trimester, the development trimester and the delivery trimester, and there's too many who are aborting their purpose, like self-aborting their purpose, and I want none of that. I'm like let's get, let's get you on the table and let's do your ultrasound. Let let's see what's in there, because it's going to start kicking soon. It's got to get out there.

Speaker 2: 47:54

And when you're pregnant with purpose for a really long time, it gets really uncomfortable.

Speaker 1: 47:59

Yeah, when you're overdue and I use the term it's due time a lot it's due time for you to get this out there, yeah, yeah. So I would ask you guys who's listening, like what are you pregnant with purpose? Like what's what's, what's there that needs to be delivered into the world? Yeah, to just push and breathe.

Speaker 2: 48:25

Yeah, and one of the reasons that you and I started working together, other than you know God telling me like this is your chick, like this is who you. I mean, it was just like, oh, this is a no brainer. And I want to qualify that also by saying, after 19 years, I've worked with a number of you know coaches business coaches, life coaches not like consistently through that whole time, but I've had periods of working with different people. Um, I'm not going to say they were bad experiences, but they weren't like. I wouldn't say none of, I wouldn't say any of them were transformative, I wouldn't say I got nothing out of it. Um, but it just became very, very clear that, um, I needed to work with you and I lost my train of thought. There was a point that I was going to make about you just said something that made me think of something that we talked about breathing the way the pushing and the breathing.

Speaker 2: 49:42

Oh, I know what I was gonna say in one of our sessions. I was like I've this may have been our first session, actually. I was like I've got all these ideas you know, I don't know how to sequence them appropriately and I end up getting. I ended up kind of spinning my wheels because I'm like, well, I could do this and I could do that, and, oh, this is a great idea. Yeah, should I do this first before this? Or, like I didn't know how to sort out I was pregnant with too many ideas, which is also a very uncomfortable place to be pregnant with multiples. Yeah, I'm pregnant. I'm pregnant with multiples.

Speaker 2: 50:14

You are exactly right, and I actually meant to say at the beginning of this conversation that we are also both like word nerds and wordsmiths, and some of the ways that you like pull root words out of words or highlight certain parts of words just absolutely blows my mind. It's like incredible. It is such a gift, it's such an art. But, um, you helped me hone in on like okay, well, you know, um, I mean I won't get into the details of it, right, but like, you helped me sort out my thoughts and prioritize what, what was most important. So I think a lot of people are, you know, um, pregnant with purpose. And there's a lot of people who are pregnant with multiple ideas and it can cause paralysis. I've known people who are like, oh, I've got all these ideas and I just end up doing nothing because I'm not sure how to prioritize it. And you helped me, you helped me move through that. Yeah, it's a gift.

Speaker 1: 51:27

It was a gift to help you with that. I've noticed a lot of the women that I work with, I would say are what I call multi-passionate as well. So there might be different facets that they're working on. They might have two different branches of businesses, they might have a podcast going writing books, like all these different things going on that go into the umbrella, like under the umbrella, but there's things that need to be put on a bookshelf for a little while, like what do you need to pull off the shelf to read now?

Speaker 1: 51:58

Quote unquote we can't read an entire bookshelf at the same time, right? So there's a time and a place for what God's calling you to, and I think part of that adventure that I get to go on with women is to help them. Like what's the trail we're going to go on? Like we're going to focus on this trail at least for the next couple of weeks and then, if we need to adjust and come back to the head, the trailhead, and we'll see what we need to work on next. But I'm just so. It just grieves my heart when I hear of women who've, like I said, self-aborted or have allowed the world to stop them. I will tell you a lot of times, it's the people closest to you.

Speaker 2: 52:54

Yeah, I mean, that was my experience before I published my big anti-mandate bomb was I had people around me, including family members, like don't do this. You know you're going to put all this negative attention on your family and, you know, your daughter's young. You got to be careful, like, and I'm like I'm doing this because I have a young daughter Like don't you understand? Like I just had a completely different mind frame, but the reason I keep looking to the side is because I actually pulled out some of the notes from some of our coaching sessions and I just highlighted a couple things.

Speaker 2: 53:28

One of the things that you have also talked about is like pulling back, you know, and releasing the target. Like like being really mindful in in, you know, pulling back and releasing the target, versus being kind of like all over the place, right, like we hone in on your target. So that has been super helpful for me. And then you've also talked about standing in authority and like coming to the end of yourself, like I'm at the end of myself and I'm going to stand in authority for what God wants me to do from this point forward.

Speaker 1: 54:09

Yeah, like Did that impact you? What? What did that impact?

Speaker 2: 54:15

you Did you say how did it impact me, how did that impact you to?

Speaker 2: 54:19

start Um yeah, could you hear me? Yeah, I can. Um, well, I like what you said about coming to the end of myself, because at the time that we were having that session, I was coming into agreement with myself in coming to the end of myself around this, like not being able to prioritize. I'm done with that, like I'm coming to the end of the self. That is a little bit disorganized right now. You know what? I've got all these people around me who are like how do you do everything you do? And I just want to laugh because I'm like I've actually been a little bit disorganized this last year and so you helped me just come to the decision of, okay, I'm done with that. I'm done with that and I'm going to stand in authority and I'm going to launch this program in 2025. I'm still going to have these other things that are part of my business, right, but you know, this is where I'm putting my focus. And what was your bullseye?

Speaker 1: 55:27

Yeah, my bullseye, and are bullseye yeah, my bullseye.

Speaker 2: 55:31

And you said, um, yeah, you talked about kicking the enemy in the face. And I was saying how, you know, there's this program that I took from this. Really, you know, respected doctor, and I hadn't locked into the program for a while and I was like there's some modules that I needed to finish. And you were like, yep, you're going to log in today and you're going to say I'm coming for you. And I did. You know, I'm like I logged in. I actually had trouble logging in, which was weird. I'm like I know I've got the right password, so I got resistance logging in and I was like what is going on here? I'm like I'm coming for you, I'm coming for you, and I got logged in, love it. So, yeah, it had been so long since I had logged in. I actually had to like re-listen to a couple of modules, which is fine, I got a lot out of it. So, anyway, for now, right.

Speaker 1: 56:28

So what is this program that you're going to be doing?

Speaker 2: 56:31

So it's my um. It's called mastery, but I like to call it mastery because I work with people who have autoimmune conditions and, uh, I've been primarily focused on Hashimoto's and alopecia for the last. Well, alopecia for the last 11, 10, 11 years, but Hashimoto's going back to 2008. But there's this phenomenon called MOSS, which is multiple autoimmune syndrome. Most people have more than one autoimmune condition and the medical literature says once you have one manifestation of autoimmunity, the likelihoods of acquiring other types, two, three, four types of autoimmunity is greater than 50%. So I it's been rare that I've had a client who's only been diagnosed with one autoimmune condition. It's like Hashimoto's and psoriasis, or alopecia and scleroderma or there's all these and and and, by the way, I also have da, da, da, da, da, so um, I got a download from from God last spring. I mean I was like having a really crappy day Actually. I was tired, I was frustrated with myself, I was like, you know, I think it was like the end of winter and here in Minnesota it's like February and early March just gets really tough, and I was like just feeling like kind of blah. And I got this download to do this mastery program. So M A S T E R Y.

Speaker 2: 58:07

So um, I wasn't ready to launch at that time and I was going to launch in the fall, um, and then I decided not to launch in the fall, for very good reasons. I mean largely because of the election. You know, I'm really involved in the health freedom movement and I just thought, no matter what somebody's politics are like, this fall is going to be a little bit tumultuous, right right. So I made an intentional decision to put it off until 2025. So, but that course that I've been taking from that doctor is playing into this, like there's pieces of it that I'm pulling in. So it's not like I could just launch it, you know. It's like I want to be really intentional about this and actually I have a book sitting right here. I didn't really, so I also am pulling in a lot from this book. Are you familiar with this guy? Yeah, so it's called Exposing the Spiritual Roots of Autoimmune Diseases. Oh my gosh, I read this book cover to cover. I mean I've got like highlights on every page.

Speaker 1: 59:09

I can only imagine how much you're going to be bringing in to the program.

Speaker 2: 59:13

I am bringing in a spiritual perspective. This book blew my mind. So there you know, it's not just like, oh, I'm just going to take all the knowledge I have and like launch this course, I'm, I'm. It's going to be completely different than anything I've done before, so it's going to take a little bit more groundwork and laying a good foundation for it. But I also. You have a program coming up or you have a group coming up, or something.

Speaker 1: 59:38

You know what, what you're saying with the health coaching piece, where a lot of times they're not going one-on-one with people anymore, that's my first love. Like, one-on-one coaching is my first love. Yeah, it really is. Yeah, indeed. But, um, within the last couple of years I just felt like the Lord was calling me to do some group coaching. I did two last year and then, um, this year I did one called yessters, which is, you know, know, play on words there with yes, saying yes and esther. So yester brilliant, it's holy spirit. Like we are, we have fun wordsmithing. Like you, like you are prolific.

Speaker 1: 1:00:22

You guys, if you can get a chance to get on jill's newsletter, she is like prolific writer. Just you can tell there's so much intentionality behind everything she says. I mean, as you can probably tell, right now even too. But, um, yeah, so I've, I've enjoyed having a group, partly because I'm a big connector as well. I, I guess one of my gifts is connecting people and, um, I've seen beautiful things happen when, like, I'm called to what I would say set a table and bring people together and I've seen people like pair up and go do things together and that's been really fun. So I see this beautiful combination of the coaching and the connection. So I'm going to be starting.

Speaker 1: 1:01:11

It's a really big mouthful that he gave me. I was like, really Okay, so it's come alive in 25. So that's the, you know. I was like, yeah, I love it, but it's aligned for impact by design. So it's come alive in 25, aligned for impact by design. Yeah, I really felt like he was showing me that a lot of women we talk about the purpose here pregnant with purpose, identity, destiny, like there's assignments.

Speaker 1: 1:01:42

You know, I think there's a going back to the identity. You know problems in the world, and not that we on here maybe are dealing with some of that ourselves in massive ways, but when you get full-on clear with, like, your destiny and your calling and your purpose and you know what your assignment is for the season like I'm living in that right now and there's so much like peace and joy and it's so hard to explain, like the inner excitement that I have every day that I want people to have that into in this world we need to be fit for the call. In essence, we need to be ready. We all have a purpose.

Speaker 1: 1:02:35

We were born for a reason and if you are just flailing around, like back when I was a kid growing up in California, we would go see the elephant whales. You're not an elephant whale. You're not meant to just lay on the beach. I'm sorry, I would love to. I love the beach, I love the sun, but we have a mission that we need to live out. So that's going to be the first group coaching for the year and then it's going to roll into something that's going to get a little more like come on, it's going to set you up for the next.

Speaker 2: 1:03:09

It's going to set you up for the next and in my follow-up email that includes the recording of this, I'll put a link to your website and I'm assuming, like you can sign up for the group.

Speaker 1: 1:03:22

I have a wait list. I'm only allowing 12 women on. I'm actually doing a very short application because it's not for everybody, I'm not for everybody and everybody's not for me. Is it full? Yeah, I have. I have a. I'm using a waitlist, just my form. I'm calling it a waitlist. There's I do have some room. Yeah, there's room for nine more ladies in the group. There's people, but I do have some room. Yeah, there's room for nine more ladies in the group. So I'm capping it out at 12. I just don't like to do too many people in a group. Yeah, I hear you. I mean I would. If I had a group, I would have one or two, just totally kidding. But I mean, like I said, I just love the one-on-one space. I just know that there's so much that can happen in a group, like you can bounce off of each other and yeah, and I do both also, you know I didn't do a group in 2024, but I've done lots of group stuff in years prior.

Speaker 2: 1:04:24

But I would also say, in addition to my mastery program, which is obviously more health related, I'm launching a mentorship in a week for health coaches. I don't know how many people you know a bunch of people, a bunch of people from my community signed up for this and a bunch of people from your community signed up for this my community. If they're reading my newsletters, they already know about it. But I've never been super called to like have a program for health coaches. But I've had so many coaches reach out over the last really couple of years, two or three years, asking me like, how has your practice changed since you stepped out on the plank? You know, have you had any negative repercussions from it? You know, and I've been pretty open about how actually it's been a boon to my business. It's been a huge boon to my business like huge alignment, alignment, alignment. So, um, long story short. Uh, about a year and a half ago I had several coaches kind of reaching out to me sort of in succession, and some of them I'm friends with. You know, they're friends of mine who are also coaches and they were just asking me a lot of questions and I'm like I'm just going to slap together these, these calls, like I'm just going to do this like down and dirty mentorship. I launched it in like a week and I'm like, okay, whoever wants to. You know, I'm going to start this next week. It went on for eight weeks, so this mentorship is only going to be for six weeks, but it was incredible. Oh my gosh, we had what. It was part of it. Oh yeah, you were. Oh my gosh. Okay, anyway, I had a load of fun and a lot of people got a lot out of it. So I'm like, you know, I'm still getting a lot of these questions. So I launched it starts of these questions. So I launched it starts Monday.

Speaker 2: 1:06:16

On Monday, I'm just calling it the health coaching practitioner mentorship. It's six weeks and it also includes a module on how to publish a book. That's going to be a very meaty conversation. That's probably going to be a good hour and a half presentation, cause I have a lot of people in my community who are interested in publishing a book. I actually somebody just reached out to me today, uh, asking me how to uh the ins and outs of self-publishing and you know the different types of editing and all that stuff. So I'm going to get into detail about all that.

Speaker 2: 1:06:41

But the first five modules are going to be I'm not going to be telling people what to do, like, oh, you got to do this and you got to do that, like there's not going to be a wireframe. It's going to be conversational, like we're doing right now. And, uh, I'm just going to share with people how I've kept the wheels under things these last few, these last few years, because my practice has changed, how I coach people has changed. I've introduced a couple of new things into my business. I'm just going to put all the cards on the table and say this is what I'm doing and I'm, you know, I have a very. You know, I don't want to sound. I mean, I have a lucrative practice. I don't want to sound, you know, arrogant in any way. I don't mean it that way. But there's a lot what.

Speaker 2: 1:07:33

You're never arrogant, thank you. There's so many coaches who are throwing in the towel yeah, and they need you.

Speaker 1: 1:07:38

they need you, I'm here. I mean, I don't want people throwing in the towel. It's the last like, like I said earlier, it grieves my heart right same with you and like the, the generosity you know when I was in your group last time to even though I'm not fully operating in. So this like is really nasty, like this is a nasty thing on my nose. I'm self supernaturally treating a skin cancer thing on my nose and now I'm walking. So it seems like and I'm sure you've walked through this too like the alopecia and the Hashimoto's, like I've been through Hashimoto's and other things in my life, and then I go kind of do this the natural route, kind of up against the system opposite. I go find these keys and resources and people and then I get to collect them Right, but I have to walk through it first.

Speaker 1: 1:08:47

So I'm walking through this right now first, and I was like Jill, I'm going to be on here looking pretty cute tonight and I've been wearing a bandage up until today. But, like I said, I'm doing this rogue thing that this guy got extradited out of the US. I'm not going to go into it because all the things, things. But we go first and then we get to share resources with people and I love how you so freely shared. Like you said, you just laid your cards out on the table last year for everybody. Was it last year or was it the year before, it seems?

Speaker 2: 1:09:23

like it was. We started in September of 2023. So it was like a year and a half.

Speaker 1: 1:09:29

Okay, yeah, but you're just so generous to share. You know your thank you Everything.

Speaker 2: 1:09:36

There's people signed up for this year who are not they're not health coaches, but they they have some kind of like coaching practice or consultation. You know, consulting business. Um, so there's a lot of people who want to write a book, a lot of people who have a book in them. So you know, I want to make that part of this so well. I have so appreciated you coming and just laying all your cards on the table and I will just say to anyone who needs a coach a life business, you know, spiritual midwife I can't recommend Kristen highly enough, really, like I don't see myself working with another coach, honestly, so high high, high recommendation and I, you know I'll say one other thing, which is I just it might feel weird to say this, or you know, kind of it might feel weird to say this, but Kristen and I don't have any kind of financial link to one another.

Speaker 2: 1:10:46

Some relationships between colleagues go bad based on, like, referral fees and oh well, I'll refer this person to you, but you know you got to give me a kickback, like I don't get involved with that. I did decide to do an affiliate situation with my mentorship but I only emailed like seven of my close colleagues and I didn't put it out to everybody. So I did decide to for my upcoming mentorship only because some people had asked me. You know, would you consider or could I? So, um, I don't have a problem with it. I have just seen not for me personally, but I've seen other colleagues get into, just really fall apart over money. You know it's just stupid. So in my practice, when I refer people out, I don't ask for a referral fee and you know Kristen and I have no, we have no financial referral relationship between one another, so we don't.

Speaker 1: 1:12:09

Other than, like you know, anytime somebody is on the podcast. So if you guys want to go listen to some wild out there, go listen to hope unlocked Um. That's part of why the Lord had me to start. The podcast was to really feature mostly women, I would say, who've really walked through the fire, whether it's in life or business ministry, just really sharing raw and real stories.

Speaker 2: 1:12:37

So if you need a dose of hope.

Speaker 1: 1:12:40

I really want to point people to other people. So, like Jill was on last year, others have been on. It's just another way to cut through the noise of social media, right?

Speaker 2: 1:12:52

on. It's just another way to cut through the noise of social media. Right, I'm so glad you brought up your podcast. I did want to highlight that because you are so raw and real and you are such a great interviewer that it's like I listened to very few podcasts very, very few and yours is like so, so good. Um, so I'll put links to all this stuff in the follow-up email with the recording link for everyone who couldn't make it live tonight. But I just want to say thank you and God bless everybody. And do you have any closing words?

Speaker 1: 1:13:23

No, I would say you know, on the health side of things, reach out to Jill Like it's a beautiful she's, she's amazing, she's been. Oh, and your cookbook, your cookbook is amazing. Tell them about your cookbook for those my friends who are on here.

Speaker 2: 1:13:38

Thank you. I have a bestselling cookbook that got published in 2017. So it's called the essential thyroid cookbook over 100 nourishing recipes for thriving with hypothyroidism and Hashimoto's talk about a mouthful and it took us five years to get that thing done. I mean, we it's. It's self-published, you know. So that's one of the reasons why, like it, it took so long. But you know, my coauthor and I had a lot of personal ups and downs during that journey, so we were working on it in fits and starts and she was working on it when I wasn't, and vice versa. So finally, you know, we got it done and self-published and, yeah, it's been a best. It was a bestseller in five categories on the pub date because we had so many pre-orders and it's continued to do well and I I am just importantly. More importantly is that so many people have learned so much from it, because it really is a thyroid health book within a cookbook. So the first third of the book is like a little mini down and dirty thyroid health education book over 100 recipes.

Speaker 1: 1:14:56

But it is a thyroid and like immune support, educational book as well as a cookbook, so I had never seen anything like it, because I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's after my oldest was born and I'm sent off you know medications and everything for the last over five years. But it was so helpful back then Cause I'm I'm a researcher too and I'm like, oh my gosh, she's got it all in here. It's food recipes Like bring it to me, yes, um, but again like prolific writers, so if you guys want to go check out her book too, um, I love sharing things like let's keep sharing what you've got too. It's so interesting's so. Um, I'm not gonna say how do I say this? I'm usually the one interviewing people, so I'm not used, um, so I appreciate this today and I don't really feel like it's been an interview.

Speaker 2: 1:15:47

It's been great, but you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, I do know what you mean. I'm. I'm hosting you, I know.

Speaker 1: 1:15:53

Yeah, so all right.

Speaker 2: 1:15:54

Well, thank you everyone. We can wrap up. I appreciate everyone who's here live is listening to the recording. Thank you for taking the time and, yeah, this has been wonderful. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1: 1:16:07

All right. If anybody has any questions for either of us, just feel free to reach out, and we'd love to.

Speaker 2: 1:16:13

Yeah, absolutely so. I'll put all the contact information and everything in the follow-up email. Okay, sounds good. All right, good night everybody, thank you.