Embracing the Call: Multi-Passionate Entrepreneurship & Trusting God with Tamara Wrenn

In this powerful episode of Hope Unlocked, host Kristin Kurtz welcomes wellness advocate, author, and doula Tamara Wrenn for an inspiring conversation about stepping into God's calling. Tamara shares her powerful journey of leaving behind societal expectations, embracing her multifaceted passions, and leaning into her divine purpose as a birth worker and author of Invite God into Your Birth Room. Together, they discuss the importance of bold prayers, discerning God's direction, and trusting His provision even when the path seems uncertain. This episode is a must-listen for women of faith ready to unlock their next chapter, live courageously, and pursue their God-given dreams with unwavering focus.

Tamara's contact info:

Websites - www.tamarawrenn.com 

To book a consult - justuswomen.org/contact-us

Tamara's book - Invite God Into Your Birth Room: The Art of Spiritual Strategy for the Childbearing Year

Kingdom Birth Services - kingdombirthservices.com

Tamara's podcast - Invite God into Your Birth Room

Chapters

• 0:00 Episode Introduction
• 7:00 Meet Tamara Rend, Our Inspiring Guest
• 15:00 The Journey of Multi
• 30:00 Overcoming Fear and Shame in Pursuing Dreams
• 45:00 Partnering with God: What it Means
• 1:00:00 Understanding Bold Prayers
• 1:15:00 The Importance of Community and Connection
• 1:30:00 Final Thoughts and Call to Action

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:16

Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast.

Speaker 1: 0:18

I'm your host, Kristen Kurtz, and I'm also the founder of New Wings Coaching. I help and empower wildhearted and adventurous women of faith feeling caged and stuck, unlock their true purpose and potential, break free from limitations and thrive with confidence, courage and hope. If you're curious to learn more about coaching with me, head to newwingscoachingnet and be sure to explore the show notes for ways to connect with me further. Get ready to dive in as we uncover empowering keys and insights in this episode. So tune in and let's unlock hope together. Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast. I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host. I pray this episode is like a holy IV of hope for your soul. Please help me. Welcome my sweet friend, Tamara Rend to the show. I am so excited to have her here today. I just had actually had a little blip it speaking, because it happens sometimes, but this is the Hope Unlocked show and, as you guys know, it is real and raw, so I'm very excited to have her here today. We actually met gosh, was it like eight years ago, I believe 2018.

Speaker 2: 1:20

So what is that?

Speaker 1: 1:22

Almost almost.

Speaker 2: 1:23

Almost almost seven, so it's a little more than six.

Speaker 1: 1:27

So we met on a mountain in Arizona, in a gym, and I just loved her. I absolutely loved her. I just felt very drawn to her and we've kept in touch over the years and both of us are coaches. We also have some other things that cross pollinate with what we do, but would you be open to sharing a little bit more about yourself, and then we'll get into it.

Speaker 2: 1:50

Sure, absolutely, there's that word. So I am Tamara Wren, I'm in New York and I am in the wellness field, right, so there's so many things that I would words I would use to describe myself. But at the end of the day, I know that I'm called to encourage and uplift people so that they can experience God's best for their lives, and that shows up in a myriad of ways within the wellness space, the health space and even the financial wellbeing space. I am a daughter, a mother, a grandmother. I love the Lord, and I am also an author of a book Invite God Into your Birth Room the Art of Spiritual Strategy for the childbearing year.

Speaker 2: 2:46

And you know, sometimes it's hard for me to describe myself or say something about myself, because there's so many pieces and facets to who I am. So and then at any given time, I might be doing different things. But I think at the end of the day, it all boils down to being someone who loves the Lord with all their heart and soul and mind and strength, and I try to exemplify that in wherever God has called me with a firm foundation in the birth space and you know that's the space that he's really calling me to uplift and to to bring his word into in 2025.

Speaker 1: 3:37

I love it, but I love that what you said to your, your multi-passionate. That's what I say. Yes as well. Like we don't fit in a box. Um, you can't tell me that I can only do one thing, right? Has that been challenging for you over?

Speaker 2: 4:17

the years to um embrace your multi-passionateness, which is a word I just made up. Okay, passionateness, I would say that it has been, because you know we live in a society that for a long time you were told that a women's business organization actually gave me a book about people who are what you would consider multi-passionate, and it was like supporting that, like, yeah, there could be a lot of things that you're interested in and that's okay. But I would say what God has been showing me in the last couple of years is it's okay for me to have a curiosity about different things, and I think that's what it boils down to. I'm very curious about a lot of things and there are things that interest me and I'm almost willing to try most anything. But he's showing me that even in that curiosity, it doesn't mean that I have to go after everything.

Speaker 2: 5:12

There are some things that it's okay for me to be curious about, but I don't have to pursue all of them. And in that space of not necessarily pursuing everything just because I'm curious about it in the minute, in the moment, he's also showing me where he wants me to be. So the things that are curious but won't lead me to where he is calling me to. I'm able to let that go, and so we've been working on me focusing on where he wants me to show up. So it's meant letting go of some of those things and just being curious in the spaces where he needs me to be in this season.

Speaker 1: 5:56

So good that's a huge word for many, I would say, in this season is focus. I have to remember that for myself too, because, like you, I am very curious, I love learning, I love researching and and especially when we are multi-passionate it can be sometimes tempting to want to step into a new thing and try something new, and then you think, oh, this is part of what I'm supposed to be doing, but what does it look like for you to let go? Has that process been challenging?

Speaker 2: 6:27

It has definitely been a work in progress and I believe when I started first, he did some purging in my heart and some restructuring of my life and I would pursue something and if it didn't work out the way I wanted it to or thought it would, then I received that as rejection and he started to show me that it's not rejection, that he doesn't need me to be in all these places and spaces and that may not be where he's called me to be.

Speaker 2: 7:00

So first he taught me how to not internalize when someone said, no, I'm not going to hire you or no, we're not going to allow you to have this funding or whatever it was I was pursuing More than likely it was probably me trying to get a job or do something and he first had to show me that they're not rejecting me they don't even know what they have in eyes but also just understanding that his plan for me was different from the plan I had for myself and that I needed to learn what life looked like, to let go and to trust him. So when we got rid of all the stuff, then he started to build me up again and then I was able to actually partner with him and then I could see okay, how do I partner with God so that I know where I'm supposed to be and what I'm supposed to do, so that I'm not, you know, chasing rainbows and chasing stuff that doesn't fulfill his best laid plans for me?

Speaker 1: 8:34

So how, like how long has that process been since you started stepping into partnering with him?

Speaker 2: 8:40

We started in the fall of 2000.

Speaker 1: 8:46

2000. Okay, so it's been years.

Speaker 2: 8:50

It's yes, and, and I think for me, what happened, you know, that was the season of when the world got turned upside down in our generation, got turned upside down in our generation and everything kind of came to like a pause or a standstill.

Speaker 2: 9:11

And I see it as an opportunity where the world was forced to slow down and you could either slow down and draw closer to God or you could slow down and give into your fears. And I slowed down and I drew closer to God and he just started, you know, wiping the slate clean, wiping the, you know, started with work, wiping the slate, like, he started with my professional life and I think he started there because it was something that I was so laser focused on. And I think he started there because it was something that I was so laser focused on. And then, as he started to refill the pitcher you know my life, whatever refill it, he started to refill it with, or, you know, or even, if you think of it like a shelves, a pantry he cleaned it out and then he started to restock it, but he started to restock it with you were one of them and we reconnected, I believe, that year on a serious level and he started bringing me people in and resources to just help me as he started to restock my shelves.

Speaker 2: 10:40

I wasn't putting in like fillers and junk food and stuff. I was putting in stuff that was really honing in on our relationship. And what does it mean to really trust God and take a leap of faith in life? Yeah, and just kind of let go of the expectations, whether they're societal or the ones that you created for yourself.

Speaker 1: 11:11

That's so good. Was there anything that was really challenging from a professional standpoint? The thing that always stuck out to me.

Speaker 2: 11:32

I was always pursuing work opportunities because I needed you know, you need to have a roof over your head, food on the table, clothes on your back, you need to, you know, provide. So I would pursue, like I have my own business. So a lot of the work that I do is consulting. So I would pursue consulting opportunities and I would pursue grant opportunities to fund the work that I was interested in. And I did a lot of that and I worked for organizations that I respected and I loved the work. But I realized around that time that I was pursuing things because this is what I needed to do.

Speaker 2: 12:11

It felt like it was a need to do, but I had stopped dreaming about what I wanted to do, the passion work I guess you would call even I don't really like the word passion and so it was like letting go of the things that I felt like I had to do and stepping into the things that I wanted to do and then realizing that God wanted me to do those things as well.

Speaker 2: 12:44

And it was kind of scary because it was like starting from scratch. You know, it's almost like a kid gets out of college and they have to go look for work. So it was like okay, so if I'm going to do this work and this work was specifically the doula work and the birth work if I'm going to do this work, I've been in this space for a long time but I've never done that work as a full-time job. So what does it mean to do this work full-time? I'm starting from scratch. So it's like you have the experience, you have the training, but now you're starting from the bottom because you're prioritizing it in a different way. And that was really hard because you know you got bills to pay.

Speaker 1: 13:31

Right, it's the. It's almost something that I realized, you know, after leaving corporate job. It was kind of like paycheck or passion, like a lot of times, wouldn't you say like? You said I mean I see a lot of times, wouldn't you say, like you said. I mean I see a lot of people who are, um, really just chasing after a paycheck rather than going after what you know. Maybe the lord put on somebody's heart to do that is something that is their dream and that is scarier, isn't?

Speaker 2: 13:58

it, yeah, it is natural it's, it's.

Speaker 1: 14:01

It doesn't make sense sometimes, right it, it is and it doesn't make sense sometimes.

Speaker 2: 14:03

Right, it is and it doesn't. And I think, with that, just before I got there, that was the time, you know, when you're applying for jobs and you're starting to feel like, oh my gosh, am I not good enough? Am I getting too old? Do I need to color my hair so I can look younger? Like what do I need to do? Like, what do I need to do? Because I'm trying to, I'm applying for stuff and I'm doing these things and I'm not getting interviews and this.

Speaker 2: 14:27

And you start internalizing all that, and and then that's when I knew, like, gosh, ageism is like really real in this space, cause I even see people who were coming up behind me and they're doing the same thing that I was. So you know, you feel all these, these kind of things and you go through all these emotions and I think that was the spirit of rejection that God was telling me that you know those are lies in the pit of hell. That's not you. And once I was able to get past that and say, ok, none of that is true, but what do you want from me? And then he spent like the next couple of years just teaching me to trust him and trust him for like every assignment, trust him for every opportunity, trust him for all the things. And he was showing up royally. And then it was like, after like, say, 2021, he wanted me to write a book, he gave me some great financial opportunities. That 2021 was a breeze, 2022 was okay, 2023, we started struggling again, you know, and it became hard again and but then, by then, I was trusting more. By then it was like it was the best way I can I can describe it.

Speaker 2: 15:49

It was like the story of them crossing the desert, right, and it was like it's hard, but I'm going to do it for you. I'm going to give you the manna. I'm going to make sure you have food every day. I'm going to make sure that the temperature's right, your clothes aren't going to wear out. I'm going to give you the manna. I'm going to make sure you have food every day. I'm going to make sure that the temperature's right, your clothes aren't going to wear out. I'm going to do it all. Do it all.

Speaker 2: 16:10

So that was like 21, 22,. He was just doing it all, and then it was like 23 was like he said okay, you trust me, because now you got to cross that river, no-transcript you. And so I would say that crossing over was like 23 into 24. And as we, as we crossed, and 24 is like okay, now I'm across the river and I can see the fruit trees growing and I can see the things happening, and all that, while he purged me, he rebuilt me and now he's teaching me to be a warrior and take authority like to be a warrior and take authority.

Speaker 1: 17:25

So, as you're walking right, so you remember cause, I attribute a lot of my journey as well to like leaving Egypt Right and as you're, you know, walking through the desert, where there you know quote unquote temptations for you to go back.

Speaker 2: 17:40

Oh yes.

Speaker 1: 17:43

What does that look like for you? How?

Speaker 2: 17:44

did you keep going. It looked like your bank account going down. It looked like, um, having to, you know, re, imagine your priorities. It had to look. It looked like knowing that there are things that I wanted, wanted to do, that I had to say no to, or I said yes to and like, okay, god, you're going to have to figure figure this out to me. So it looked like, um, a lot of just like, like, just that, some of the day to day living, just you know.

Speaker 2: 18:28

It looked like, you know, maybe putting some things off, because I I would get a little overwhelmed sometimes about the things that needed to happen and I didn't know how they were going to happen. But at the same time, I never, I always trusted him and I always knew that it would work out. I just didn't know what, what that would look like, but I knew that it would be okay. But also just saying, ah, you know, like I'm too old to be having some of these issues and these challenges and going through this stuff, like what is happening here. Um, so that's what it looked like sometimes when it got hard. But also he would give me breadcrumbs and glimmers and he would always answer and I would just kind of say, like I love this, like you're always answering the prayers, I just I don't want the breadcrumbs, I want the whole loaf.

Speaker 1: 19:22

Wow, I just literally talked about this with somebody this week. So incredible, um, so you, you're, you're going along. You get to the, you get to the jordan river. Like what was that first step? Like we know, the only way that the river parted was what they had to do, what?

Speaker 2: 19:49

I don't know what they do believe.

Speaker 1: 19:51

They had to take that. Well, there was a Red Sea.

Speaker 2: 19:54

There was the Red Sea, yeah.

Speaker 1: 19:56

But the Jordan I think there was something similar in that trust stuff right.

Speaker 2: 20:00

There is. I don't remember the whole story, but there was. Something is not even the journey. It was, like, you know, the promised land. When they went over and they came back and some of them can only talk about what they saw, that was scary and I was like, well, it's always going to be scary when you're doing something new, but do you focus on the fear or the faith?

Speaker 2: 20:30

You know, when you have to go over into the promised land. It's always going to look scary, but do you focus on the fear or the faith? Right, if you know what it could be. So you focus on, you know those, that fruit that's that's growing on the tree and you focus on the grass that's growing and you focus on the vibrancy in nature. It's kind of like when God says no one has an excuse for not knowing him because he's visible in nature. You know, when you look at nature, you see him, you see your create, his creation, and so you know there that there is a God. So it's kind of like the same thing. When they looked at the promised land, you know they didn't keep their eyes on the things that proved that there was a God. Some of them looked at the things that said like you know, man is there and man is. You know these obstacles are there and they're big and scary. So there's always going to be fear, one form or the other. Maybe it shows up as intimidation or anxiety or doubt or uncertainty, but you either decide if it's going to be a fear of faith that you lean into.

Speaker 2: 21:42

And I think one of the things that kept me going was when 2021, when he told me that I was going to write a book and we started doing some work towards it. Excuse me, we started doing some work towards it. Well, I did, and every time I would write, I was like feeling real accomplished. He'd say that's cute, but we're not doing that, and then he'd have me rewrite it again and we do different things. And when I finally decided to really stay focused on what I needed to do in 2022, because of a series of circumstances that played out, one of the things he kept telling me was excuse me that this book was going to be my oil and this book was going to open doors that I and this book was going to open doors that I couldn't imagine, and so I knew that I needed to be obedient, and he was showing me in that writing process that what it meant to lean in him, into him and trust him.

Speaker 2: 22:45

And in that writing process, it showed me what it meant to lean into him and trust him in life. And then I was able to take that trust and that's how I was able to let go of chasing everything and just being really focused was reminding me of things that he had me waiting for. That he told me to do, like in 2019, he told me and I'm you know, I don't want to be all over the place, but I'm trying to just explain how it comes together. In 2019, new York state, where I live, created a doula pilot project and two areas of the state were still selected upstate and a community downstate and upstate stepped into the pilot and flourished, and downstate didn't have enough people, so it didn't move forward. But in 2019, god told me to go ahead and complete the application process, even though it wasn't going forward at the time in the downstate area. He told me to complete it and just do that, because one day there would be an opportunity, and that was in 2019. He told me that I completed the application in 2021. I kind of sat it aside and didn't really look at it. And then in 2021, the summer of 2021, I completed it and then they kind of backdated it and I was eligible, but again there was nothing to be eligible for because they weren't opening the door for the area that I lived in, and so we started in 2019. Then we're in 2021. And I'm just waiting. And then this past year, in the spring of 2024, finally, new York state is um reimbursing doulas from for Medicaid um payments. So we're talking about 2021, two, three, five years right, so five years. Just him telling me to do something that I don't understand and didn't even know. It was him. I thought it was me being clever, but obviously it was not. And as soon as they opened that opportunity, I began getting calls.

Speaker 2: 25:08

Now, during this period of time he had, you know, I had written a book. I released it in December I think it was December of 2023. And he's telling me okay, you're going to do this birth work stuff. This is going to become like your primary space. You're not going to do it from a consulting perspective as your primary. You're going to go in and you're going to work with the families and he's telling me all of this is going to come together, right, he's. He's.

Speaker 2: 25:40

He's telling me, like the book is part of the conversation, part of the work you're doing, and while he's showing me that I'm stepping into this new workspace because I've been a doula for more than for about 12 years by this time, but never having done it full time. So now I'm stepping into trusting the gifts and the call that he's given me to go out and do the work, as opposed to waiting for a company to hire me as a consultant or somebody to give me a grant he's telling me this is going to be your primary source and you're going to go out, you're going to do this work. He's teaching me with the book because with the book, he's shown me now, over the course of 22, 23, two and a half years. He's showing, showing me how to be obedient, how to listen to his direction, how to listen to his guidance, and he's also building my courage, because in that process I started off being concerned, like okay, when I thought it was just a book about birth.

Speaker 2: 26:50

I didn't know why you needed me to write it. But when I realized it's a book about you and birth, now I'm like okay, so now I got to put my faith on the shelf for everybody to see. I don't want to be challenged. My faith is strong, but I don't want to be challenged. But he's showing me. No, you need to be front and center so that me. No, you need to be front and center so that my people can know that you're there and that you're available.

Speaker 2: 27:18

And then, as he's telling me that he's got me creating my website, kingdom Birth Services, and he's showing me, through other followers of Christ in the birth space, what it looks like to be bold and courageous. And I'm taking encouragement from them, even though they don't know it, and I'm like, okay, I'm being obedient about this book that steps way out of my comfort zone. I'm being obedient about the work, which is way out of my comfort zone. And now you're telling me to create this website that puts front and center that I'm a follower of Christ and that these services are for everybody, but especially those who love the Lord.

Speaker 2: 27:58

So he's done all this work. He's built my courage, he's built my boldness, he's built my obedience. He's showing me how to pray bold prayers. He's teaching me how to listen not only pray those prayers, but to listen. And he's teaching me how to pray without ceasing to ask him for everything, every step, every direction, everything. And as we're doing that, he's rewarding me, he's bringing the people, he's making my voice louder, he's helping them through this whole process, connecting them with him more, and he's showing me how all those things that I was curious about, how I can let them go. He's showing me where he actually wants me to show, show up, and I would say, like then that brings us to this year, where now he's teaching me about letting go of the spirit of comparison, jealousy, and to build on balance and kindness.

Speaker 1: 29:08

Wow, Well, can I? Can I back it up a little bit. Because, I just was wanting to have you elaborate a little bit on bold prayers and listening. I feel like somebody might be listening and going well, what is a bold prayer? What does that look like for her? What might that look like for me? What might that?

Speaker 2: 29:31

Sure.

Speaker 1: 29:31

Can you elaborate on that a little bit?

Speaker 2: 29:33

Sure, so in 20, it seemed like yesterday, but I realized this was probably. This was also like around early November of 2024, there had been this YouTube video circulating and people were like, oh, you should watch this. And I was like I don't want to watch that. And it was about this man who it was like a three hour video. I said I'm not going to watch that for three hours, and I spent the day kept going back and forth until I watched it all, but he had been into the occult and different, you know, satanic things and he was delivered from that and one of the things he talked about was how powerful the prayers are of Christians and how we don't realize the power in our prayers but people who are practicing in a occult and satanic rituals, how they are very much aware of the power of prayers and that their prayer is that we won't recognize how powerful we are in our prayers. And that really truly struck me.

Speaker 2: 30:36

And so there was some stuff going on personally and I started just praying about it, specifically the change that I wanted to see, what I wanted God to do. I walked through my home and I said those prayers out loudly so I could hear them. I used my whole body to communicate with God, whether it was touching things, whether it was raising my hands, whether it was just praying, praying just. And that prayer was just like me talking to God, asking him for what I need and taking authority, saying that you know, satan, you can't have X Y Z. Satan, you can't do sex, x Y Z Like really just taking authority and saying this is what you can't have, this is what you can't do, this is what you will not do, this is what God has said, this is what God has promised, and praying the words of the Bible. So, even if I didn't take a scripture and turn it into a fancy prayer, just reading that scripture out loud and I did this for like a period of time, like you know, a few days or something, just every day, just walking through my home, just speaking it aloud, what I wanted, and I would say, within that week I could see the manifestation of God's hand on the situation that I was praying for and it really rocked me and blew me away, because you know, you expect God to show up, but when he does, I think it's still exciting that we have that childlike wonder.

Speaker 2: 32:21

And then there was a friend, not so much a friend but an associate, or someone that I knew that I was praying for, who's not even like local or anything, and I was praying for their particular situation. And just every day I would just lift them up and again speaking those prayers out loud, asking God, exactly like, just like closing my eyes and kind of seeing what that person was going through for the day. And, you know, god, protect them in this way, protect them in that way, protect them when they do this, when they wake up, when this happens, like just kind of walking through my mind all the steps that they were experiencing that day, and just praying like this is where you need to show up, god, and this is, you know, bring these kind of people into their lives. And bring these kind of people and remove these kind of people. And just really clear, and I would say, probably within 30 days, we got some great news that there had been some great changes and transformation in that person's life and, as I was seeing God just really answer those type of prayers that were not the well, god, I really want this.

Speaker 2: 33:26

So you know, if you really want me to have it, you know, or I'm just going to say you know God's will be done and just leave it. But like, you know him saying like no, you you've got to take the authority and you've got to speak with boldness and you've got to be specifically clear about what you're asking for, whether it's something that needs to be bound on on earth. Or you know, like what does it say? Whatever you loosen, heaven will be loosed on earth and bind in heaven, bind on earth. Or you know, like what does it say whatever you loosen, heaven will be loosed on earth and bind in heaven, bind on earth.

Speaker 2: 33:58

So like, if you want it, just be specific and clear about what that desire is and if it's coming from the right heart. You know, this is this. I'm not talking about a name it and claim it, but I'm talking about knowing that, even with the stories in the bible, I'm talking about knowing that, even with the stories in the Bible, some people will say, well, that was something that was only for this person or that person, and I would beg to disagree. Like, sometimes there are stories and it was specifically something for a person, but it demonstrates the character of who God is and when you see his character in that situation, you know that. Well, maybe he did this for you know this particular individual in the Bible, but it demonstrates his character around the situation and what you can come to him with and what you can ask him for.

Speaker 1: 34:45

That's so good, you might have another book in you. Oh no, for many, your gift of intercession is definitely increasing, wouldn't you say?

Speaker 2: 34:58

Yes, it definitely is. That's definitely a place where he's been grooming me to be more of an intercessory prayer, if that's the right word. Prayer, if that's the right word, and I would say a lot of that shows up in the birth space with my clients in particular. I would say that many of us in the birth space who are, who are believers, like some of us, maybe many of us, we see ourselves as intercessors and even though I'm not a physical midwife, like you know, like you, can be a spiritual midwife. And when you, when you think about Shifra and Pua, the midwives in the Bible, they interceded for the children whose births they were at because they they had a fear of the Lord Right. So, as I am working with families, it's in my household too, in my families, in my personal life, with my loved ones and in my professional life, I'm given the opportunity to pray and uplift these families, some of them. Sometimes we do it together, sometimes I just do it for them and I'm able to ask God to give me the words to pray.

Speaker 2: 36:17

I've never felt like I've been the person who some people say oh, so-and-so is a prayer warrior and you hear the person praying.

Speaker 2: 36:25

You're always like, oh my gosh, they're so good, they touch all the points and they say this and they say that, and they're so me, so I can never do that.

Speaker 2: 36:36

And now I'm like, well, maybe I don't pray like them, but I want you, god, to teach me how to pray so that I'm not speaking words in vain, that I'm not rambling that when I pray, like my prayers are actually weapons of warfare, that my prayers are actually standing on the authority that you've given me as your daughter to ask for what I need to, you know, to, to tell Satan that he's got to go away, like like I can do that.

Speaker 2: 37:13

I can do that for my family, I can do it for myself, I can do it for my country, I can do it for my clients, and so I think he's been showing me how to do that and teaching me. And one way is also just um, like being steeped in the word, like, like reading the word, even, like I've been reading the same scripture over and over and over, like for like more than a month, like two months now, like just really showing me that and showing me how the words in the Bible, like bringing them to life so I can see what they actually look like.

Speaker 1: 37:51

So what verse are you chewing on right now?

Speaker 2: 37:55

So I have been chewing on one. You know a couple of them that people that are common to folks is the 91st Psalm, the 27th Psalm, and then and I'm and I'm using the new King James version Um, and then in revelation, where there are sections and I'm going to start with revelation because people don't usually think of that one first. So in the particular book I have, the Bible, it's the, you know, like the red letters, so the words of Christ are in red. And when you read Revelation in this version, it has little sections that are called out where the living creatures are calling out, in the things that they're saying, and different songs are being spoken and different words are being spoken, and there's sometimes I will just pray those things that are called out.

Speaker 2: 38:59

So, for example, in Revelation there's a part that says where the creatures are crying out, day or night, holy, holy, holy Lord, God Almighty, who was and is to come. And then in the section below that it talks about the 24 elders and how they're worshiping and they're saying you are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things and by you they will exist and were created. And then you go a little bit further and there you have the prayers of the saints and they're saying they're singing a new song. You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals for you, like where they all come together in one voice and they're crying out prayers. When you put them together because I think of it as if this is going on in heaven as we speak, when I lift my voice, I'm like right there in the moment with them, because they're saying this over and over. So in this moment I'm one with heaven, Right. So I think of it like that.

Speaker 1: 40:32

Getting like such a vision right now. It's beautiful.

Speaker 2: 40:35

What's your vision?

Speaker 1: 40:36

Just like it's almost like you're just transported there with them, as you're speaking it out and you're praising and I'm almost seeing like it becoming a song.

Speaker 2: 40:49

Yeah, yeah, and some of those are songs. So it's interesting because even when I was like, well, if the creatures are saying this day and night, like what else are they doing? And then he just kind of said to me well, you know, there's a lot of creatures there and that's what they call them, the creatures, the ones with the eyes all over their body and stuff. So it's like, okay, yeah, so there's a lot going on and they're all worshiping and some are worshiping and some are singing and some are crying out. So when you step into that and you speak those same words, you're just in communion with the kingdom of God. In that moment, like how amazing is that, even if you happen to be the only one in the room at the moment, you're really not the only one in the room and they're probably all like, oh, look, there's another one, like she's saying it too.

Speaker 1: 41:41

Yes, oh my gosh, that's so powerful. I've never even I mean I've read through Revelation a few times and at times, for me personally, it can be a little challenging to get through, but I haven't actually stopped and meditated on those words or prayed those words in essence.

Speaker 2: 42:01

So I think, this is a huge key for not only myself but some other listeners here today, because I mean, obviously, you know the Bible is here to give us insight and direction and so forth, but there must be something amazing and awesome about those particular words, because nothing in the Bible is a mistake. It's not just like, oh, you know, we were editing and you know, like, okay, yeah, people did edit it and do different things. But if this is the revelation, who got that revelation? I can't even remember. But, um, when he got that revelation, it wasn't him just saying I want to, I want to say this, it was, was it? So when John got that revelation I think that's who it is Um, those are things that were going on that he was seeing, and then we also know there was a lot of things he saw that he didn't put in this book.

Speaker 2: 43:03

Um, and then when I go to Psalm 91, you know a lot of people were reading Psalm 91 when we were going through the pandemic and all kinds of stuff but what I love to do, I've always known, like the first two verses. They've always just stuck with me. He who dwells in a secret place at the most high shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty, I will say of the Lord. He is my refuge and my fortress, my God. In him I will trust. But when you go on to read the rest of it what I typically do I do it so often that I don't even realize I'm doing it, that wherever it says you, I usually translate it to me or I. So instead of saying surely he shall deliver you from the snare of the fowler, I'll just say surely he shall deliver me from the snare of the fowler and from the perilous pestilence he shall cover me with his feathers and under his wings. I shall take refuge. And I found that I've recited it so often like the goal is to memorize it, but I've recited it so often in the first person that I'm actually finally able to see where the words show up in my life.

Speaker 2: 44:21

And like the New King James is easier than the King James, but it could still be a little tricky with the language. So even when you go to another version, you're able to see by placing yourself and making it first person. Even though this is David speaking by, I'm using first person at my side and 10,000 at my right hand. But it shall not come near me. Only with my eyes shall I look and see the reward of the wicked. So when you read that in another version, you realize God is saying that you know things are going to happen around you. There'll be death, there'll be destruction. You'll think that the people who are doing the wrong things in life are really getting away with it, but they're really not, because the things they're doing are not going to touch you. You'll see that they're being destroyed. You'll see that with your eyes and then you're able to, kind of, when you internalize the scripture, it improves your prayer life because you don't have to. If you don't know what to say, you don't have to make it up because it's already here.

Speaker 1: 45:39

It's so beautiful. You know, I recently started doing that with Ephesians 1, ephesians 3 and Ephesians 6. Parts of those chapters and using the first person, and it's really powerful. I do that every morning and I remember hearing somebody talk about doing that. I think it was probably last year. I'd never heard anybody mentioned that before. I never even considered it.

Speaker 1: 46:03

And it's so beautiful to have people that you learn things from, you know, like today you sharing what you're you know walking through and what you've walked through and where you're walking and the ways that you've picked up keys to help you on your journey. Somebody is getting a key today to help them on their journey. It's so beautiful Like we cannot put ourself away on an Island by ourself.

Speaker 2: 46:26

Right.

Speaker 1: 46:28

It just wouldn't go well. We need each other.

Speaker 2: 46:30

We definitely do and, like you said, I I know I've heard people say like I've gotten I don't know who it is, but I got something from someone before and they had done it on like a computer program and my name was inserted in different places. But I honestly can't say that I ever use that routinely. I thought, wow, this is really nice, this is good, and you know, I read it a couple of times and then I put it aside. But it is, you're right, it is absolutely powerful. It's powerful, it's eye-opening and it just also reminds you it's okay to just sit with scripture for a long long time. I think reading the Bible, the entire Bible, is important, but there's also times when sometimes you just need to really sit and when it says meditate on the law day and night, just even just meditating on a particular scripture on a regular basis.

Speaker 1: 47:29

So good, such a key for sure.

Speaker 2: 47:32

And I know that we, yeah, go ahead, sweetie yeah, I was just gonna ask if I could share something with you. Yeah, in Ephesians, um. So you know one of the things I don't. I talk about work a lot and I and for me it's not talking about work. When I, when I talk about my professional life now, as opposed to maybe like five years ago even though, like several years ago, I wanted to do my work for the Lord I didn't really know what that was like and I think you introduced me to the whole concept of kingdom work and kingdom driven entrepreneur and stuff. You introduced me to that concept and so now when I talk about work, I'm actually talking about what is it God has called me to do? How has he called me to make a difference? How has he called me to show up? And then the process of showing up for the kingdom of God, I get compensated.

Speaker 2: 48:31

It's the icing on the cake and the measurement is not what's your goal, your income goal. The measurement is how many lives have you touched, how many souls have you shared the Lord with, how many people have you been available with? And you're doing it in this work, which is not work because the people in the Bible, they, they did what they did, but God used what they did to further his, his um plan for us, which is salvation Right. So, um, if people hear this and they think, like everything is about work in life, I want to encourage them that everything is not about work. But when you know what your mandate is, when you know what God wants you to do, it can become not for everybody, but for some it can become. The work that you also do to make a living is where he wants you to show up and he's going to reward you with a paycheck for it.

Speaker 1: 49:33

Absolutely Well have you, and I said absolutely, absolutely, girl.

Speaker 2: 49:35

Absolutely. That's the word of the day, folks. Um so in profit.

Speaker 1: 49:41

I'm just naturally quick, have you um. I don't know any backlash since stepping into the you know kingdom birth work. Nope when you're you know cause. It was uncomfortable at first, right it was uncomfortable when I thought about it.

Speaker 2: 49:58

Um, and I thought about uh, you know, I've heard of some people being told by folks in different spaces like, oh, like you can't. You can be a Christian but you can't lead with that. I haven't had that issue and one of the things I have also done is I don't entertain spaces where I believe that the fruit that is there is not reflective of the God that I represent. Right, so it doesn't mean that every single space that I am in, that everybody is worshiping the God of the Bible and doing all those amazing things, but I believe that I'm allowing God to give me the discernment to know when I can be in those spaces and what I can do. And then the spaces that would totally be, you know, not conducive to to him and the fruit of the spirit. You know some of those spaces he's told me to just stay out of. You know some of those spaces he's told me to just stay out of, and some of them I have permission to be in a little bit and I just try to use wisdom and discernment.

Speaker 2: 51:19

And then some people that I work with, they know, you know, they understand what my faith is and so forth, and I don't try to force it on anybody and we don't necessarily have to have a conversation about it. But where God desires us to meet and collaborate and work together, even if they're not a believer, that's okay. He'll tell me. If it's not okay is basically what I'm saying. If it's not something for Him. Because even as believers, you can't isolate yourself. You know you can't isolate yourself from the world. You know you've got to be available for the world because you're a light, that light, you're the city on the hill. So you have to be available. You just have to do it with wisdom and discernment.

Speaker 1: 52:10

That is a key right there. Again, like she said, wisdom and discernment, and seeking him first to know. What are you to do? Who are you to partner with? Definitely, I'm guessing for you, just like for me, in business. I wouldn't, you know, get into an unequally yoked business? Right, yeah, but again he can, you know, get into an unequally yoked business in a sense? Right, yeah, but again he can.

Speaker 2: 52:37

Yeah, you, you never know what he's going to tell you to do, and change. And you know, because sometimes, like you know, he will use that for his glory if he wants to provide for you, if he wants you to be a beacon of light someplace. I think the one thing we just have to be a beacon of light someplace, I think the one thing we just have to be mindful of as believers is we don't have to run into every space saying like, oh I'm going to go there and do God's will if that's not where he's called you.

Speaker 2: 53:04

Because if he wants you to go in that space and be a disruptor, then he's going to prepare you to go into that space and be a disruptor. And if he hasn't prepare you to go into that space and be a disruptor, and if he hasn't called you to go into that space and be a disruptor, then sit yourself down and let somebody else who's been prepared for that space to enter into that space.

Speaker 1: 53:25

Oh, so good. Were you going to read something in Proverbs as well?

Speaker 2: 53:31

Yeah, how'd you know?

Speaker 1: 53:33

Because I just thought you might want to share something.

Speaker 2: 53:37

Yeah, so he showed me, the Lord showed me. Let me see if I can find this. You know, I think there were a couple of questions that you asked me before. I don't remember exactly what they were, but in let's see, I wrote this. Wow, it was that long ago. I'm looking at I have a little notebook here, like people tell you to keep notebooks for when God speaks to you so you can know when your prayers are answered.

Speaker 2: 54:19

And one of the questions that I has asked God this was May of 2024. And I asked him what is your heart concerning the clients I'm called to serve in my business? And he gave me Proverbs 31, 20. And he said like, for me, in this season, my heart, the heart that he's given me to serve people in my business, is that she opens and extends her hand to the poor, is that she opens and extends her hand to the poor and she reaches out her filled hand to the needy. So I'll read that again she opens and extends her hand to the poor and she reaches out her filled hand to the needy. So that's what he's calling me.

Speaker 2: 55:05

Concerned in the clients I'm called to serve in my business, and in this it doesn't mean poor financially. It can mean poor in spirit or poor in heart. It can mean people of humble means, people who have just enough, people who are lacking in that spiritual connection to him. So I am to open and extend my hand to those people and if my hand is filled, I'm supposed to reach out my hand that is filled and give them what I have. So that was how he answered that question.

Speaker 2: 55:42

And then I asked him what does it look like for me to express your goodness through how I serve my clients, goodness through how I serve my clients? And this again just goes back to the idea that this is why I talk about my professional life so much, because it's so intricate in terms of what he's called me to do. So when I say what does it look like for me to express your goodness through how I serve my clients? He gave me Proverbs 31, 8.

Speaker 2: 56:18

How I serve my clients, he gave me Proverbs 31.8. And 31.8 says open your mouth for the speechless and the cause of all who are appointed to die. And then Proverbs 31.26 continues to answer that question. She opens her mouth with wisdom and on her tongue is the law of kindness. So those two, last two scriptures of what he's showing me, what it looks like for me to express his goodness through how I serve is to open my mouth for the speechless, in the cause of all who are pointed to die, which is all of us, and to open my mouth with wisdom and on my tongue for there to be the law of kindness.

Speaker 1: 56:59

I mean when he gave you that revelation like tell me more.

Speaker 2: 57:09

I think that I was just asking questions, um, which is something that I'm trying to. I won't say I'm trying, it's something like, well, yeah, something I try to remember to do with this little notebook. Um, you know, when people say, ask God questions and write it down and see where he's answered you, and so I had started keeping this notebook in summer of 2023. And when I wrote this, I had just stepped into doing the doula work full time and probably like a couple months prior, and just asking him for you know, what does it look like to serve you? What does it look like to serve you in this business? Because it's quick. You know you can when you're doing something and you think you're trying to do something new. It's quick to listen to the experts. You know there's a lot of secular experts in this field. There's a lot of people who can tell you how to grow your business and do all the things. And the first question I think I asked was was I called to serve folks in business in this space? And then it was like that's not the right question. So instead of saying am I called to do, I said who? And I made it an open-ended question and it said who have you called me to serve through my business right now, because I thought I was going to be taking this and doing something a little bit different. So, instead of leading the question with am I? And waiting for him to say yes or no, I said who have you called me to serve? And he said mom is in families. And then so my next like all of these questions, he answered kind of at the same time, but that was the first question and I just left it. And then I said what is your heart concerning them? And then what does it look like? So when he answered these questions, they might not have been right there in the moment, but I put them on paper and went to sleep. And then, whatever day it was I don't know how many days it was, but I was reading Proverbs 31 and then pieces of it were standing out to me that I had never noticed before.

Speaker 2: 59:29

People always like to talk about. Oh, the Proverbs 31 wife. You know, the man gets a wife and these are all the wonderful things the wife does. But God pulled out of that scripture things about her character that have nothing to do with her being married to a man on earth, but it's about how she shows up and that those scriptures were scriptures that I could lean into for how to operate my business, because one of the preceding questions I'd asked him was how do I do the work and how do I know what to do? I've been out of this loop for so long and he told me well, first of all, you're going to be my apprentice, right, so I'm not even.

Speaker 2: 1:00:16

The goal is not for me to take a whole bunch of more classes and do this and that, like to just come under his leadership so that he can show me and teach me how to be effective and how to steward the gifts and the call and the purpose that he has given me. And in the stewardship of those gifts, I'm learning from him. And if he needs me to take something else, then he'll tell me that, but in the meantime, I know what his heart. I serve them. Proverbs 31.8 and Proverbs 31.26.

Speaker 2: 1:00:59

Yeah, and he just showed me those things and through the process of doing that, the transformation that they will see is they will receive deliverance, they will receive freedom, they will be able to be impacted and connected to him and as I'm doing the work, I'm seeing that playing out in the clients that I've served. I'm seeing it through their testimonies. I'm seeing it through what's taking place in the birth room when we work together. I am seeing it with just their openness and their willingness to allow him into their birth room, allow him into their space. To you know, this whole thing doesn't take place in a vacuum, that that God sees and he wants to be a part of everything, like helping them just kind of reconnect to who he is. By me being obedient to what he's told me, I feel like I've talked a really long time.

Speaker 1: 1:02:09

It's so good. I mean, I've always loved everything that you've stepped into walking through my husband's looking at me because I'm using my hands, but just you know even the word deliverance, right. I love seeing words within words and deliver is the first part of deliverance and delivering a lot of things and I love what you know.

Speaker 1: 1:02:44

the hands and the mouth are a couple of two key words that stood out to me in the verses that you mentioned and I love. Just I'm going to try to encapsulate part of what you said. You know, with Proverbs 31, 20, she opens her hand to the poor and reaches out her hand to the needy. I'm reading from ESV at this point what I've learned over time in my business. He just keeps showing me it has to be different, it has to be different and I often say, well, what's in my hands, like what's in my hands to do this work, because I feel like we have all that. We need right. And that's where I think a lot of times people can get sideswiped when they are in business or ministry. They just keep thinking that I need more training, I need more letters behind my name, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need right. He has everything that we need when we are stepping into the places he calls us right.

Speaker 2: 1:03:43

Yep, and he's probably already given. Like you say, he's given us what we need already. He's prepared us in so many ways and if he wants us to have more, he's given us what we need already. He's prepared us in so many ways and if he wants us to have more, he'll let us know. But like kind of start, start with what you have, start with what you are and kind of just trust his process.

Speaker 1: 1:04:06

Absolutely Tamara.

Speaker 2: 1:04:11

Well, we need like a little change jar for every time we say absolutely, put a coin in the box.

Speaker 1: 1:04:16

Well, would you share a little bit more about, first of all, you know how somebody can get a hold of you and like what would it look like for somebody to walk alongside with you, as with you, as our doula, tangibly? And then I'll let you do that first.

Speaker 2: 1:04:34

Okay, so you can reach out to me if you want to contact me specifically about birth service. I'm serving in the New York area, but you can find my website at kingdombirthservicescom and it will tell you where I serve. That's kingdombirthservicescom and it will tell you where I serve. That's kingdom birth servicescom. I provide childbirth education, as well as perinatal coaching and doula services. Doula services can be in person or virtual, but you know, before you do anything, I'd love to have a conversation with people and find out exactly what their needs are. So that's a good place to start right there. And if you would like to check out what my book is about Invite God Into your Birth Room the Art of Spiritual Strategy for the Childbearing Year, that is at my name, tamarawrencom. So that's TamaraWrencom. So it's TamaraWrencom.

Speaker 2: 1:05:34

And I do have one new thing that I'm starting as well. I've started a podcast as well. I've got a few episodes and it's called Invite God Into your Birth Room and you can find it on Spotify, apple and, I believe, iheart. So it's Invite God Into your Birth Room. And the reason that I started the podcast is because the Lord has been telling me to get his message out, as Kristen would say, to deliver his message to hear, for people to hear his message than for people to buy the book. So if you come and you listen to the podcast and you want to buy the book, that's wonderful, that's you know, that would be a great thing. But if the only thing you did was come and listen to the podcast and hear his message, that's just as exciting, because that is actually the priority that his messages shared.

Speaker 2: 1:06:33

And I've been told by readers that the book is not only for the childbearing year but even though it sets you up from pregnancy for how to steward that pregnancy and reclaim and reconcile your relationship with God and help your unborn child create the authority I mean know their identity and just take authority over this whole process. But I've been told that even if you gave birth 50 years ago or you've never had a baby, that this book still allows you to steward and birth that which God has placed inside of you. So the message is important. So again, it's kingdombirthservicescom for anything birth related, tamararencom for the book and invite God into your birth room. The podcast so it's a lot of things, but I'm sure that Kristen will hook you up there.

Speaker 1: 1:07:28

Yeah, we'll have all the information in the show notes where you can reach out, go to the websites, definitely, get the book. And, as I think you know as well like, I'm, in essence, a spiritual midwife, so I feel like I kind of need this book too. And for those of you who want to hear more about, uh, definitely I'll provide your email address as well, if that's okay too. Does that sound good? Okay, all right. Well, um, at the end of every episode, um, as you know, I do this for the one and I will continue to do this for the one. So, if you could just get a vision of the one that's listening today and do you have anything else that you'd want to speak over her, and then would you pray us out today?

Speaker 2: 1:08:18

Okay, so I get to pray us out, all righty cool. Heavenly Father, I thank you for your word. I thank you for speaking a word into my heart, lord, and for allowing us to have this conversation today. I thank you for Kristen. I thank you for the platform that she's been given and used to glorify you and to exalt you, lord, and I pray, father God, in the name of Jesus, that the words that we have spoken today, the scripture that we have shared, that the conversation that we have had will be a just, millions of people, nations upon nations upon nations, will be drawn closer to you because of the work that you have called Kristen to do, the platform that you have given her.

Speaker 2: 1:09:24

May her voice continue to shine and go out through these airwaves. May she never have want for anything. May she never have need for anything. May she always have a heart and a desire for you. May she always hear your voice. May she always cling to your love and your compassion. May she always serve you with gratitude and joy. May she always have a voice that is just, pleasant and sweet to your ear. May her words be like honeycomb, father God pleasant to the ear and sweet to the lips. Father God, we ask for her and her family to be blessed and to be a blessing. We pray, father God, that the anointing that you have poured upon her, father God, will be the gateway, father God, to salvation for her entire family. Father God, we pray that this is just a stepping stone to the things that you have planned and purposed for her. In the mighty name of Jesus, we pray. Amen.

Speaker 1: 1:10:24

Thank you for praying over me today. That's beautiful.

Speaker 2: 1:10:26

You're welcome.

Speaker 1: 1:10:30

Well, thank you so much for coming on today and thank you for being a brave voice that is setting You're welcome spirit. You may abound in hope, and that's Romans 15, 13. So thank you again, tamara. I hope to have you on again. I know that he's going to do more with you, so we'll probably have to have you on again. You can share more.

Speaker 2: 1:11:01

Sounds like a plan. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1: 1:11:04

Bye listeners, I'll be back next week, thank you.