Breaking Shame’s Chains & Rising Boldly Into God’s Purpose with Kimberly Joy

In this powerful episode of Hope Unlocked 🔑, Kimberly Joy, founder of Fellowship of Extraordinary Women (FEW), shares her journey from shame to freedom and divine purpose. She reveals how a life-changing word from God, “You’re the lifter of my daughter’s heads”, which unlocked her calling, connecting pain to purpose. Through biblical insight from 2 Kings 25, she explains what it means to lift heads: releasing prisoners, speaking kindness, restoring honor, and inviting people to the King’s table. Kimberly also recounts a supernatural encounter with Jesus that brought deep identity healing and trust. If you’ve wrestled with shame, identity, or purpose, this episode will help you trade prison garments for your royal seat at God’s table. 

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Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome to Hope Unlocked Podcast
• 4:16 Kimberly Joy: Called to Lift Women's Heads
• 10:58 The Battle for True Identity
• 23:12 Discovering Her Kingdom Identity
• 35:17 From Prison Clothes to King's Table
• 43:33 Transforming Through Vulnerability and Pain
• 55:52 Divine Encounter with Jesus
• 1:11:09 Bringing Brokenness to Jesus
• 1:13:56 Final Words and Prayer

Transcript

SPEAKER_04: 0:16

Welcome to the Hope Unlock Podcast. I'm your host, Kristen Kurtz, and I'm also the founder of New Wings Coaching. I help and empower wild-hearted and adventurous women of faith feeling caged and stuck, unlock their true purpose and potential, break free from limitations, and thrive with confidence, courage, and hope. If you're curious to learn more about coaching with me, head to NewWinksCoaching.net and be sure to explore the show notes for ways to connect with me further. Get ready to dive in as we uncover empowering keys and insights in this episode. So tune in and let's unlock hope together. Welcome to the Hope Unlocked Podcast. I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host. I pray this episode is like a holy heavy of hope for your soul. Please help me welcome Kimberly Joy to the show. I am so excited to have her here today. Um, and you guys, just even her last name, you are gonna be infused not only with hope, but with joy. Um, we like God totally connected us earlier this year on all the places, like of all places on LinkedIn, which is I begrudgingly have been on there and I just happened to run across Kimberly. And it's just been such a blessing. Um, you know, you meet somebody and then because you meet one person, you meet other people. And I've just been so blessed to um be in her corner and her in my corner, and it's just been such a joy. So, Kimberly, would you be open to just sharing a little bit about yourself before we get into your story and what you're led to share today?

SPEAKER_02: 1:41

Sure. Well, um, I am a mother of 11. That's my first and greatest call. I have um going on 13 grandbabies now. We just found out two more grandbabies are on the way. And uh my call outside of my family is to women. I am uh called to be a lifter of women's heads. That is my identity in the kingdom, and I do that through the fellowship of extraordinary women, an organization that the Lord really invented, created, was he was the impetus for it over 10 years ago, going on 11 years now. And the intention was to create a community for women like myself who are passionate about their faith, their families, and their businesses, and women who want their faith to be a part of their business life, whether they are um overt or covert with their faith in their business, they want their faith to be the foundation for what they're doing and why they're doing it. And it's so interesting, Kristen, that since you know I had the idea for few from the Lord and and the vision became a reality, I am in awe here almost 11 years later, at how many women are founding, creating, envisioning, and carrying out faith-forward businesses where faith isn't it isn't covert, it's overt. And they're openly um weaving faith into their business services and offerings in order to help other Christians in the marketplace, in whatever way, you know, in whatever their area of expertise is. And, you know, when I was doing it, it was more women when I started women entrepreneurs who were also women of faith or women in business, and they wanted to stay grounded in their faith while they were living their business and family life. But now it's so much more. I just with what has gone on in our country and truly the awakening we've experienced as a nation in the last five years in particular, women are saying, I'm tired of being told I can't talk about my faith in the workplace. I'm tired of building someone's empire when I could be building the kingdom.

SPEAKER_00: 4:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 4:17

Um, I'm tired of being uh edited and you know, screened and um, oh, I can't think of the word. Um, you know, yeah, shadow band and kicked off kicked off and and just you know told what is appropriate and what is not in terms of sharing faith and sharing Jesus. So it's a really different and a beautiful time right now to be a woman of faith in the marketplace. And I think it was a Billy Graham quote that I just heard recently, I believe it was him before he passed, he said, the next great revival will take place in the marketplace, not in the church. And that really excites me as a woman in business who is doing what I can do to lift other women believers in business. So if we're lifting each other, and then we're all going out there and lifting the people we're working with, well, guess what that leads to? That leads to revival. Yes, that's very exciting.

SPEAKER_04: 5:23

Absolutely. So I love like everything that he's called you into and and just the you know, there's so much on this that has, you know, if you look at the way that you're you're created to lift heads, right? You're you're created to be a lifter of the heads. And I love that that you know fully what that identity, you know, it's an identity statement that you can go back to. Yes. Um I'd love to hear, you know, when did that come to be? When did that, when did you hear that? And then prior to hearing that, did you really know that that you were called into this? I know sometimes, at least for me and some of the people that I've talked to that are in business or ministry, like there's a process, like we get the vision of maybe launching a business or a ministry, and we're still becoming, right? The beginning stage, we're we're still in this stage of like becoming. We go out, we launch something, and we're doing it with shaking hands. And I look at you, and I I know you're in this place now where you're just firm, you're set on this, but I know that there had to be like the beginning stage of the becoming to come into this.

SPEAKER_02: 6:41

Yes. Well, I think as a woman who has walked with God a lot longer than I've been in business, the question of identity and the issue of identity has been uh paramount. It's been for at the forefront because I struggled so much with my old identities.

SPEAKER_00: 7:06

So much.

SPEAKER_02: 7:10

Early in my walk, um, I just I think the the biggest obstacle I have faced as a woman of faith, whether at home, in the church, community, at work, in marriage, in relationship, as a mother, just pick the arena. Yeah, my main struggle has been fighting who God says I'm not, and trying to believe I am who He says I am. And I've I had years of victory, I I guess I should say seasons of victory, seasons of great defeat in that. The first 10 years of my walk with God were riddled with defeat, and and now I can tell you exactly why, because I was trying to do it all in my own strength. And let me just say this for the woman striving in her own strength. God will never let it work because his word is truth, and his word says, cursed is the one who puts their trust in their own flesh and their strength, but blessed is the one who puts their trust solely in the Lord and whose trust is the Lord. That's from Jeremiah 17, I believe. And so the Lord didn't let that work because the laws of this universe say it does not work, and his grace allowed me to fail and struggle until I was finally at the end of myself and said, I can't do this, I can't do it at all. And um, I think the the downside, the upside of that was I came to the end of myself. The downside of that was I experienced so much failure in that those that first decade that it kind of quietly and subconsciously confirmed some of my worst fears about myself. So a lot of people come into the kingdom and have this honeymoon experience with God. And I did not have that. I I said yes to the Lord. I got saved as a little girl, said yes at 21 and kind of went right into the pit like Joseph.

SPEAKER_01: 9:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 9:15

And I came to a lot, a lot of realizations about what I lack, and that's a good thing to say, um, God, you're God, and I'm not. But when you wear those things as an identity, that's not a good thing. Right. And I did that. I wore a lot of those things as my identity. And I ended up carrying a lot of shame into the next two decades. I've been walking with the Lord now for 33 years. Actually, July was my 33rd year. Amazing. And um, and so a lot of what I had to do to get a hold of my true identity was deal with a lot of those false identities. And I'd make some progress and be like, I believe what God says about me. You know, I'm forgiven, I'm free. Um, He took my shame. And then something would happen, Kristen, where I would spiral into shame. Um, usually that thing that would happen would be someone rejecting me, or someone telling me I failed, or someone telling me you're not good enough. You did this poorly. And of course, the enemy knows that it's the people who we love the most.

SPEAKER_00: 11:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 11:09

When they say that to us, woo, you know, and in this case, it was people that I love the most saying, You ain't it, sister. And I'd be like spiraling into shame. And then I'd be really frustrated, like, I have been working on my identity in Christ for decades. Why am I still being taken out at the knees, you know? And it wasn't until something like past 2020, somewhere right around 2020, 2021, I think it was, that I discovered that I actually had a spirit of shame. And it wasn't just feelings of shame, it was an actual spirit of shame. And it was when that spirit was vanquished from me that I had victory over shame.

SPEAKER_00: 11:57

Amen.

SPEAKER_02: 11:58

Otherwise, I was on an I was on a roller coaster ride with it, where one day I wasn't being affected by it, and then something would happen, and I was debilitated by it. And it would take me three, four months of renewing my mind. Well, I never thought to do the spiritual warfare and and and uh ask God to rebuke the spirit of shame and say, the Lord rebuke you. This is a demonic spirit oppressing me, you know. Get out. Never thought of that. It was actually exposed during a session that I was having with someone, and I was so surprised, but yet not surprised at all. I'm like, there is such a difference between having an emotional difficulty and having a spiritual oppression, two different things. Yes, and it was so profound for me to get free from that spirit that a couple weeks later I was having lunch with one of my daughters, and we were just talking about things that we had talked about a hundred times. And in the middle of our conversation, she goes, Mom, what happened to you? And I was like, What do you what do you mean? What do you mean what happened to you? She goes, You're different. Oh man. And she had no idea, no idea that I had this just two, three weeks prior, had this profound breakthrough from shame. And um, that you know, what I also want your viewers and listeners to know is if you struggled with something for the bulk of your life, that that is your Achilles heel. That's how the devil will use it against you. It really isn't in the spirit, and in Christ, you don't have an Achilles heel, but the enemy knows that you had years of ingraining certain thoughts into your neural pathways, and he'll come and tap into that to bring you back down to those lower levels. And um, so I have to be aware of those things that the enemy used against my true identity. Shame was one and worthiness was another. So I made great progress. That's just one example of victory that I got, but it was much more recent, Kristen, that I could answer the question of who are you by saying I'm the lifter of God's daughter's heads.

SPEAKER_00: 14:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 14:16

And I that probably sounds so like I'm the lifter of God's daughter's heads. Like it probably sounds so braggy, but listen, when you find out your true identity in Christ, it carries a responsibility. It's not a point of bragging, it's a duty, it's a duty. And um, and I'm getting choked up even talking about that because I want women to know that for me, being called the lifter of heads, guess what? The attack on my life for decades was to get me to hang mine.

SPEAKER_01: 14:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 14:52

Why do you think shame was such a bondage for so many years? Because how do you lift someone else's head when you can't lift your own? Yes. And so when you start to understand who you are in the kingdom, you also understand the warfare that's come against you. It all makes sense.

SPEAKER_01: 15:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 15:09

And, you know, I want to even take it a step further because when I ask God, who am I in your kingdom? What's my true identity? He's told me many things. And many times when I've asked him, What do you see when you look at me? I've had I do an exercise with women in some of our certified courses. We're gonna practice hearing God's voice. We're gonna ask him questions about how he sees us and and how he wants us to see ourselves, and they're beautiful moments. But to ask him, kind of like, what is my essence in your kingdom? What am I here for? Yes, that's so different than you saying, God, what do you see when you look at me? And he shows you a picture of a flower. Oh, God sees me as a flower. You know, that's beautiful. And you write it in your journal and you hopefully don't forget it. But when you ask him, Who am I in your kingdom? Who am I to you, God? And I asked him the question and I didn't hear anything right away. And it was about three days later I was driving along and I heard the Holy Spirit um inside say, and and mind you, the Holy Spirit speaks um internally. The Bible says he bears witness to your conscience. So it's such an inner, inner voice, Holy Spirit's voice. And it's it's might sound like you in the sense that he'll speak in your vernacular, but this is how you know it's not you. You would have never come up with that.

SPEAKER_03: 16:37

You're like, say that again.

SPEAKER_02: 16:40

Say that again.

SPEAKER_04: 16:43

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02: 16:44

Yeah, right. Oh, did you want me to say that again?

SPEAKER_04: 16:47

Yeah, I mean, just it's it's something you really can't make it up, right?

SPEAKER_02: 16:52

Right, yes. You hear things and you're like, I could live a thousand more years, and I wouldn't have thought of that.

SPEAKER_01: 16:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 16:58

And um, that that happened to me as I was driving along, and I heard him say to me, and it's like an internal whisper, and because the Bible calls it a still small voice, and if you don't regularly practice listening, you'll miss it. Yeah, because he's always speaking, he's always speaking. So I heard him say, You're the lifter of my daughter's heads, and I just began to weep. And I said, Lord, that's your name. Your word says you are the lifter of my head. And this is what he said to me, Kristen. He said, Well, all of my children are named after me. You're made in my image. So then I was like, Okay, if all your children are named after you, then I can receive that name. Because it was very difficult to think about receiving a name that he calls himself. And um, and so then I began to say, Wow, what does that mean? And he specifically said, go to the scripture where where it says that God is the lifter of our heads, and so I did, and um it's Psalm 3.3, and it's the psalmist saying, and you are the lifter of our heads. And um and the what was really shocking, I I'm pulling up scripture here while we're talking because it is just absolutely remarkable what happens when you just look into things, you know, the the word of God says that we must believe that he is. This says this in Hebrews, that we must believe that God is and that he is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him. So for those of you on that quest for your identity, be diligent, just don't even take the first answer and be done. Well, Lord, what does that mean to you? And he's like, go look it up. So I go look it up, and I discover Psalm 3.3. Well, then I also discover a footnote on Psalm 3.3 that takes you to 2 Kings 25. Okay, and what's really interesting is I love story. I'm obsessed with story. It's one of the reasons why Phew publishes women's stories. I just have always been a I call myself a connoisseur of stories, and I don't want the fake ones, I want true life stories. I love hearing people's true harrowing tales, stories of courage, faith, hope, whatever. And um, I always say my second favorite book next to the Bible is Unbroken, the story of Louis Zamperini, written by Laura Hill Hill Hillenbrand. Just amazing. Plus, I'm a big World War II history buff. But um, anyway, I go to 2 Kings 25 story, yay, God knows me. And but this is a story that I'm sure I read, but it like I don't remember it. It really doesn't have meaning to me. But it says um that this is about a king of Judah, his name was Jehoiakin, and he had been taken uh captive in exile by Nebuchadnezzar, and he was captive for 37 years. So I want you to think about the years you spent in captivity, the years you spent in the darkness, the years the enemy had his way with you. Okay. And this guy was captive by an actual evil king, but guess what? Evil king died, and a new king took the throne, and the new king came to see who was all imprisoned, and it wasn't just King Jehoiakim, there were other kings that were captured and held captive during this time. And it says that this new king, um, in in the 37th year showed favor to Jehoiakim, king of Judah. And now listen to this: there's like several things he did for him. He released him from prison, he spoke kindly to him, he ranked him above the kings with him in Babylon. So he ranked Jehoiakim with himself. Now Jehoiakim was ranked with the current king, and it says in verse 29, Jehoiakim put off his prison garments, and he dined regularly at the king's table for the remainder of his life. And his allowance, a continual one, he was given an allowance, was given to him by the king every day, a portion for the rest of his life. Okay. Amen. Yeah so brought out of prison, spoken kindly of, ranked with the king. Um, Jehoiakin took off his prison garments, dined at the king's table every day for the rest of his life, and every day for the rest of his life was given an allowance, a daily portion for the rest of his life. Guess what the footnote says? Or he lifted his head.

SPEAKER_04: 22:11

I mean Kristen.

SPEAKER_02: 22:15

I was stunned. I was like, did you almost fall over?

SPEAKER_04: 22:20

Because in these moments I almost fall over. Like, did you like almost lose your breath for that moment?

SPEAKER_02: 22:26

I was yes, I almost lost my breath. That's such a perfect yes. Yeah. I I was just, I couldn't breathe much less speak. I was like, this is what it means to lift heads. Well, we know, we know this story is a metaphor that you and I are royalty held captive by an evil, evil king, and a good king came and brought us out of prison and spoke kindly to us and um showed us favor and ranked us with him, co-heirs with Christ. And that it, but here's what the Lord showed me. He said, This is your message to women is who I am for them and who they are to me. And if they know who they are to me and who I am for them, it's game over. It's game over for the enemy. And uh, but he took me to verse 29 in specific where it says, Jehoiakim put off his prison garments. So everything else in these passages is what the kind and good king did for Jehoiakim. This verse is what Jehoiakim had to do of his own accord. So please listen closely. He put off his prison garments and dined regularly at the king's table. So these are two things Jehoiakim had to choose with his will to do. Even though all this favor and open doors and and new ranking and all this beautiful stuff happened, he could have left his prison clothes on and stayed in his old identity, and he could have said, I've been a prisoner for 37 years. I I don't fit at a king's table anymore. I've eaten in my cell, I've eaten from a tray, slid to me under the door. I don't really know if that's how it went. But you just imagine prison messes with your head, right? Prison messes with your head. And he had this identity as a prisoner who just was thankful for scraps, and he had to choose to take off that identity and sit at the king's table. And God said to me, This will be the most difficult message to convey to my daughters because they wear their prison clothes and they don't think they have a seat at my table.

unknown: 24:40

Wow.

SPEAKER_04: 24:45

Because I I am literally seeing like what what you facilitate in setting tables for women.

SPEAKER_02: 24:54

Wow. Yeah, I actually host events. I set tables.

unknown: 24:58

Wow.

SPEAKER_02: 24:59

I mean, I'm sure you're speaking metaphorically, but also literally, right?

SPEAKER_04: 25:03

But literally too.

SPEAKER_02: 25:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 25:05

Wow. Yes. There's so much carry over here where like it truly it's a prophetic picture of even the more that's coming for what you're carrying and bringing us to the US, but beyond.

SPEAKER_02: 25:22

And to think this is so vital that God's daughters hear this. To think that I made this discovery. I discovered my true message to women. You know, we've got all this branding stuff out there. What's your message? What's your story? To have the God of heaven say, here's your message, here's your brand, here's your essence, here's what you bring to every table. So I'm not just the lifter of women's heads, I'm the lifter of my children's heads, I'm the lifter of my friend's head. Like the, and I've I've known for many years that um one of my spiritual gifts is encourager and the spiritual gift of counseling and all these, you know, I've I've known who I am to a degree, but for the God who created me to just give it to me point blank in a what in one line, you're the lifter of heads, and this is what lifting heads looks like for you. And it was all given because I asked the question. That's all I did. It's not because I'm special or I paid my dues, or you know, it's not none of that. The God of the universe will answer anyone's. I've heard you have too, story after story of him answering this question to a non-believer, to people who aren't even professed Christ followers. He's saying, Here's who you are to me, because he's ever, always speaking to his children and drawing them into their true identity. And from their identity comes purpose. We try to make our purpose into an identity and know our doing will always be birthed from our being. And when I look back then over my life, Kristen, this is the fun part too. So he says lifter of heads, and then I see this pulling people pulling someone out of prison, encouraging them to remove their prison clothes, telling them you have God's favor, you have a seat at his table, you have his provision for the rest of your days. This has been such a message, a theme in my life of how I have counseled people, how I've helped people. And even before I was walking with God, I was lifting the heads of my friends in high school. I was being looked to to lift people up from a very young age. And it again, it's not because I'm special or favorite, it's because your essence cannot be denied. Amen. It cannot be denied. It's coming out of you in one way or another. Don't you want to know what to call it? Don't you want to know how God wants you to live it? I mean, it's probably the most exciting discovery I've made in my walk with God because it's made me more, I've had more clarity than I've ever had, and it's made me more effective helping people than I've ever been.

SPEAKER_04: 28:15

And how how long ago did you hear this word over you? July. July. Okay, so it's fresh. It's like very, very fresh. Yes. You know, it kind of goes again, it kind of goes back to, you know, you've you've had few for almost 11 years now. And like, how do you see your identity statement? It's it's a covering, in essence, overview, in essence, um, overview, and and even the women that have come through without even knowing this identity statement, I'm sure that you've seen like testimonies come through. If you had like a testimony that you could share, um, if you're able to, of somebody who's come through few, and you've been able to do that lifting of the head, yeah. Seen maybe a turnaround and and the shame fall off, the prison clothes come off. Like, what does that look like?

SPEAKER_02: 29:09

Oh, yes, a hundred percent. And what's crazy and cool, and your your listeners will see this too. Once you find out your true identity, you'll see that you were having that effect on people without realizing that's what you were doing. Yeah. Um, so one of our core values has always been know and um believe your true identity in Christ. But I just didn't know that you could actually ask God specifically what your unique identity is. I thought, you know, we all have our identity in Christ. It's what the Bible says about us, and it is, it's that too. But I didn't realize how personal he wanted it to be. So I was always pointing women to one of our most repeated phrases within Few is what God says about you is the truest thing about you. So we've said that for years. My spiritual mama Linda taught me that years ago when I'd be struggling with shame, she'd say, What God says about you is the truest thing about you, and I'd say, I know, but and then she'd stop me and say, What does God say about you? And she'd make me say it out loud. So this is so ingrained in me, and I've ingrained it in so many women. Um, and a lot of women don't even know it came from my mama Linda, but it did. And um, so in the meantime, while we're you know seeking God for our businesses and growing in our faith, we're growing in our true identity and we're learning how to. To take thoughts captive and how to replace the lies with the truth. And I've watched so many women come in, like, well, I'm really not a powerful leader. Or, oh gosh, I remember one woman came to our um our Few Institute for Trainers. It's basically our coaching certification. And she said, like on day one, I'm not here to start a business. That's not going to happen. But God told me to be here and I just know I'm going to learn a lot of tools and skills. And she was in ministry a long time and had a lot of children. So she thought, if nothing else, I'll just be better, a better mom. And he was just, I call her my most reluctant convert because she was like, I'm not here to start a business. She started a business. She went on to get three, four more certifications. She's specializing in this, this, this, and this. She went on to author two or three more books. I mean, she stepped into her true identity in the kingdom. She saw, did not see herself the way God saw her until she, you know, willingly dipped her foot in the pool and then she just dove into the deep end. So that's one example. Another example is a woman who, and you, some of you might know her, Nancy Major. And I tell Nancy's story openly because she tells it openly, and her story is so beautiful. She was walking with God for about 10 years. She had zero church background. Um, if anything, she kind of was ruined by some culty religions that she was exposed to as a kid. Um, her family wasn't um involved, but others around her were. And she just went, I'm never doing that. Like, I'm no, just nothing with faith at all or religion. And um she didn't get saved until later in life. And when she did, she said, God, I'll serve you, I'll go where you send me, just as long as you never make me tell my story. Oh, and she had immense shame, like debilitating shame, to the point where like she lived largely in hiding so that people wouldn't recognize her or know her because of her past. And in about 2023, I believe it was, God said, Um, you know what? Or maybe it was 22, he said, You need to write your story and not just tell it, write it. And she was so compelled, and he's God would not leave her alone that she sat down and wrote a book in 10 days. Oh my god. She's got this whole book, this whole manuscript. And then she's like, Well, maybe God just wanted me to do that for my own benefit because it was who took her on a healing journey for sure.

SPEAKER_03: 33:31

Sure.

SPEAKER_02: 33:32

And um, lo and behold, just a month later, she met me and a mutual friend introduced and said, Oh, did I mention that Kimberly's uh also a publisher that few publishes women's memoirs? And she was like a deer in the headlights, like now I have to publish my book. Like God just plunked a publisher in my lap, you know. So she was so full of shame when she sh gave me her book idea. She showed me her the mock-up of her cover, and she took her hand and and covered up the subtitle. And I remember thinking, what is she covering up? I don't know why she's got her hand over this image, you know, but whatever. I didn't know her that well yet. So I was like, something's up. Well, her book is called A Wretch Like Me. And the subtitle is A Modern Day Mary Magdalene Saved by Grace. Wow. And so the subtitle kind of gives her story away. And sure enough, she was um, you know, lured into the sex industry and was a sex worker for three or four years in her adult life. And um it's a I mean, it's a wonder she survived what she went through, but she carried all that shame and wanted that to stay in the dark for the rest of her days. And God, by his grace, was like, nope, we're bringing that into the light because you're gonna get free from the shame. And we began to work together on her book. And, you know, she's also been in business 30 plus years. She's run nonprofits, she's been a CEO, COO of many organizations, president of many boards. So she understands how to sell and market, and she understood that when it was time to promote this book, she'd have to tell her story in her marketing material. That it wasn't just, hey, I wrote a book. Um she was going to have to tell what the book and the cover would give it away, too. So when she made the decision to start promoting the book, I saw such a distinct shift in her. She went from that woman covering up the cover to telling what her book was about on LinkedIn, where all of her whole 30 years of professional network were sitting.

SPEAKER_01: 36:07

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02: 36:08

And and I remember opening up LinkedIn one day and seeing a post from her. And um, she has this beautiful book trailer. If you go to YouTube and you Google a Wretch Like Me book trailer, it looks like a movie trailer and it is provocative. It's so good and so powerful. She put that all over social media, that that book trailer before the book came out. And so before anyone had a chance to read the story, she just told the world, here's my story. This this was what God saved me from. And um, she had an encounter with Jesus that literally she tried to take her life, and Jesus actually came into the room and put his arm around her, and that was her introduction to faith in Jesus.

SPEAKER_01: 36:55

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02: 36:56

And um, so that encounter is in the book, and from that day forward, she served the Lord and He completely delivered her. And um, anyway, when I saw that in her, and then she began public speaking. So now she's going, you know, and round to events to telling the story from stage and telling women this was my life, and this is my life today. And you can hear a pin drop in the room. I I went to many of these events with her, we did many of these together, and I saw her go from a prisoner of shame to I actually coined a little nickname for her. I call her the shame slayer now.

SPEAKER_04: 37:38

Oh, yeah. I had a feeling you'd say that.

SPEAKER_02: 37:40

Yep. She literally gets up there and slays the shame in the room just by opening her mouth. The very thing, again, when you go back to identity, the very thing you're called to do is the thing you were most attacked in. It's always that way. Yes. And um, so her transformation, I would say by far was the most powerful in terms of identity. I saw a woman in hiding become a woman with a bold, hope-filled, life-giving voice. And um, I saw her just say, you know what? Um, you know, you can be the ripest, juiciest peach, but not everybody's gonna like peaches. That's okay. I'm here for the people who who need peaches, you know, and she just became so bold, yeah, so, so bold. And it she it was a thrill to see she's an amazing woman. I love her to pieces.

SPEAKER_04: 38:34

Well, and isn't it just incredible? Like to be, I don't know, because we kind of flow in similar parallel ways, you know, coming alongside women and to be able to be that one that comes alongside, to be just it's like an inflow that the Holy Spirit like gives you words or gives you, you know, whatever it is that will help these women be set free to go into whatever they're called to go into. Because, and a lot of times, I'm sure for you as well, you know, you might go on and do a Facebook Live, or you might go on a podcast, or you might share your story, or Nancy might share her story, and it's just this ripple effect that we won't even have any idea until heaven in heaven, right?

SPEAKER_02: 39:20

Yeah, especially with social media being uh, you know, I tell the women who take our courses, do not wait to be invited onto a stage. The whole world is your stage now. Anyone, anywhere at any time can reach people across the globe. Yeah, and there has never ever been a better time to ask God, what is my message and who is it for? Because this stage is there waiting for me. But we're so afraid that we're only gonna get five likes. Um, we're so afraid that we'll look dumb, whatever it is when we first get started. I had all those fears too. Everybody faces them. But yet if you got a call today and they said, We we need your story and your message on an international stage, can you come? You'd say yes. You know, so I'm always saying to women, stop waiting for a physical stage. You have the greatest opportunity to reach the world that anyone in history has had ever. Yes. And it's it's like I'm preaching to myself too, because I I never feel like I'm taking full advantage of that, you know. I I never feel like, um, Lord, like I'm keeping that in the forefront. I forget that easily too, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 40:40

So well, what like what would you say for you? Um, I just feel like just in this vulnerable space in business, like, you know, we all have these moments of coming out of hiding. And, you know, I'm thinking of Stephanie Gretzinger's song, you know, come out of hiding, you're safe here with me, right? And what would you say has been the most uncomfortable for you? And then where do you feel like he's stretching you in this coming season to be more visible?

SPEAKER_02: 41:09

Wow. Um, okay, so what's been hardest and most uncomfortable and how is he stretching me?

SPEAKER_04: 41:16

Yeah, in in the coming out of hiding space.

SPEAKER_02: 41:19

Yeah. Um I I'll be honest with you, because why not, right? Best thing to do. Best thing to do. Don't you love when people say that, oh, was lying an option?

SPEAKER_04: 41:32

Or when somebody says, You look really good today. I'm like, do I look good day?

SPEAKER_02: 41:36

Thanks for the qualifier. Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, I guess what I what I meant to say was I I will be forthcoming about this because I experienced a lot of success with few. And um and probably I'd say seven, eight years of success. And then I went into an exceptionally difficult season. And the season that I went into wasn't just hard business-wise, it was hard personal life, friendships, children, everything. And also just, you know, as they say, for for giggles is when perimenopause kicked in. So I had all that going as a bonus, yeah. Just as a bonus here, let's make her hormones go absolutely wacky so that she sweats like a construction worker while she's doing nothing and sleeping in her bed. Right. Sorry, graphics. Ladies, um we understand, yes, yes, ladies will understand. So anyway, all while that was going on, I wanted to hide. I wanted, Kristen, if I did not have a business well established with people counting on me, I would have closed up shop.

SPEAKER_01: 42:56

Wow.

SPEAKER_02: 42:57

Um, I had so much betrayal in my personal life that I was recoiling from who can I even trust anymore? And if I keep helping people, will I just keep getting betrayed? And like the thoughts and the questions that you go through in your mind that you know are just your emotions, right? Like you know the answers, and I know the answers in the word. I I knew up here, but my heart was swirling. And um, and then some of the loss that I incurred during that time, the death of my best friend, major relationships in my life just poof, gone. And the pain, I had such a grief period while building, like God is like, you know, hey, Nehemiah, I know that you got the enemy nipping at your heels, threatening to kill you, spreading lies about you, betraying you, tempting you, taunting you, you know, and trying to kill the people helping you, but keep building. Like that was the season. And if I didn't know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I was called to continue building, I would have quit. I really would have. Not because I don't love what I do, not because I don't want to do what I do, but my heart was just obliterated. And um, you know, I had some caring people in my life say, yeah, you don't really seem like yourself. And I'm like, no kidding. You know, and then I start thinking about wow, like, I don't even know how I'm coming across in the world anymore. I don't even know who I am and my brand and what is my message, you know? And like I felt like my message was stop, drop, and roll, dick, roll, because the fire is coming, you know, like that. That's how I felt so long in the fire that like my message probably even got a little tainted by what I was going through. Yet God was like, I'm not giving you permission to take your hand off the plow. And there was one point at which I said to the Lord, Lord, if this is one of those Job seasons where I have to lose everything, um, I'm not gonna cling to anything. Like, do you want me to like lose it all? I'll just then take it. Like, maybe just don't drag it out so long, you know, because it was like a three, like, just go ahead and take the rest right now, please. Can we get this over with? And I was almost like I was bracing myself, but also just it was an act of surrender because I was like, I don't have it in me to fight for anything that you don't want me to fight for. I don't want to fight for anything that you don't want me fighting for right now. And um, so I even said to him at one point, do you want me to sell my business? Do you want me to sell few? And Kristen, I heard him so clear. This is what he said to me. I did not authorize that. Wow, that's what he said to me. No stamp of approval on that not authorized. And he's like, I didn't even authorize that line of conversation because he knew that I had been thinking about it in my head. Like, not like I'm gonna do it, but like if did this, who would I approach? And yeah, I just began to think about what if the hypothetical. And he knew that my thoughts had gone to that without asking him first. So that's why his answer was so firm, not authorized. And I said, Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, sorry. You know, and um then much later when I made this discovery about my role in the kingdom and how desperately his daughters need the news that they have been shown favor by a benevolent king and they can leave the prison cell and take off the prison clothes and sit at the king's table and have provision for the rest of their days. When I caught that vision, he brought me back to that previous conversation and he said, Now, do you see why that was unauthorized? Now do you see why you're the woman for the job? And it was very humbling, it was very humbling. And I must confess, I had to repent and say, I'm really sorry that I toyed around with the idea of living a life that wasn't written in my blueprint. Yeah, yeah. And um, and even like toyed around with the taking the easy way out kind of thing. So um, and so that kind of answers both your questions. That is what stretched me. That is the has been the wanting to hide, but not being able to. And um, and I guess I I hid to some degree. I think we can hide and still be present. Yeah, um, I spent a lot of time hidden in Christ during those days. I spent a lot of time grieving with the Father and being counseled by the Holy Spirit and just saying, Lord, if I feel so broken that if you don't heal me, I'm not gonna have anything to offer anybody. And I also knew that when you grieve loss, if you're not intentional about it, it will come back to bite you in the rear later. And I just kept saying, Let's just take care of this, let's just get into the trenches of the grief, Lord, so that this doesn't come back and bite me in the butt later. And um, so I was very, very, very intentional that I wanted to hide from everything, but what I was allowed to do was to stay hidden in Christ.

SPEAKER_04: 48:41

It's so beautiful. Yeah, wow. Kimberly, so I know you'd mentioned like that you've you've had an encounter before. And I I believe you said Nancy has had an encounter, and I just would love for you to share. You know, because even one of the things you said, like you could take the easy way out. You could have taken the easy way out, right? Yeah. And I don't know about you, but we're not called easy. And it's in those moments that are not easy. I feel that's when he really meets us in our, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 49:19

Yeah. I think there's ease. Even in our suffering, he brings it some ease, or we wouldn't be able to do it, but not that it's easy. I so agree with you. Um walking with God is not for the faint of heart. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 49:35

And if you're and then mixing it with business, that's like a double whammy.

SPEAKER_02: 49:39

Well, and you know, here's the thing like I've I grew up in churches and watching ministers, and I always thought, oh, I don't ever want to be a pastor or be in ministry because of all the betrayal that I saw. I saw so much betrayal, and the leaders in ministry were so harshly judged. Yeah, and I thought, I don't want that. Well, guess what? That's on any mountain of influence. It's for any leader. It doesn't matter if you're in business or or the church or government, it doesn't matter. Family, if you're a leader, you will be scrutinized and you will be on the front lines fighting for the people that you're called to lead.

SPEAKER_01: 50:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 50:23

And you're oftentimes going to go um into places you never wanted to go, but specifically so that you can help lead others one day.

SPEAKER_04: 50:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 50:34

And so many of the diff difficult situations God brings us in are for others as much as they are for us.

SPEAKER_03: 50:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 50:41

And there were a lot of times in my walk, my whole 33-year walk, where I'd say, God, if this will help one person, I'll keep going. God, if this helps one person someday, then I won't quit today. And that was during my motherhood journey, that was during divorce, abuse, during um, you know, business and and difficult things there, and just you name it. But when I would remember that I'm not doing this for me and me alone, like, yes, the Lord wants to sanctify me and heal me, and he he brings us through the fiery furnace to purify us. But the greater reason is because Jesus came to serve us, Kristen, and it's our response to him to serve others.

SPEAKER_04: 51:25

Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 51:26

Many people are like, I'm serving the Lord. Well, guess what? The Lord doesn't call you to serve him, he calls you to serve the people. Say that again Jesus served us, and our response is to serve others. It's a kingdom of service. And by serving others, it's our service to the Lord. But we get it muddled by saying, I'm here to serve the Lord. And he's like, No, you're there to serve my people, my children. And um, and that really helps me not make it about just me and God. It's so easy to just make it about me because guess what? He's trustworthy, he's safe. Guess who's not? People. And so when we make it of just about us and God, we can really lose like I'm here for people. Yes, I'm here for people. And um, you know, I remember a long time ago I was with somebody and we saw this bumper sticker that said um, mean people suck. And true, and the person I was with goes, mean people, all people suck. And I was like, wow, we have we have crossed the line of cynicism. Yeah. Um, but when you go through a season of loss and betrayal, it is very easy to self-protect.

SPEAKER_04: 52:47

For sure.

SPEAKER_02: 52:48

And um, and and to be concerned with where are your vulnerabilities and who makes you feel vulnerable and how do they make you feel vulnerable vulnerable. And finding your footing of how do I go back to a place of feeling safe again? And um, this encounter that I had with Jesus, I believe, Kristen, was a direct response to my need for safety from a season of feeling very unsafe in a lot of ways. And I would say to the Lord, I know I'm safe in you, but I do not feel safe. I know that you're my strong tower. I can run and hide in you, but it feels like the world has more access to me than they've ever had before, and they are loving it and I am hating it, you know, or it feels like um it's open season on my life. Yeah, and all I can do is hide in you because it's it's not it's not safe out there. It's like going out in deer hunting season here in Wisconsin in full camo and just walking through the woods while a bunch of guys in blaze orange are shooting, you know. That's how it felt for me. And um, so this encounter happened in June of just of this year of 25. And it happened. I've never had an encounter with Jesus like um physically, where I was I could see him or touch him, but in this case I did, and I prayed many years for for an encounter with him, and um, I believe that this encounter came as an answer to my cry for feeling safe and um just feeling safe emotionally and feeling like the like the whole world could abandon me, but the Lord will not abandon me. And I knew that in my head, but he wanted to prove that to me. I don't know how else to say it. He was on a mission to prove to me that he was with me and it was gonna be okay. And I know that because of what he said to me in the encounter. So um I was in in my closet, and now this happened in a dream, like I was sleeping, but I was in another realm. And the reason I know that is because like the laws of gravity did not really impact where I was, and also the the laws of the five senses did not um limit me. I there were other laws at work where I was because started out, I was in my closet in this dream looking for an outfit to wear, speaking of identity and prison clothes. And um, and I I was just standing there with my back to the door. It was a walk-in closet, and I felt an immediate energy shift. So the the energy in the heavenly realm, you can just the way your eyes see and ears hear, your being feels and can read energy. So, like you know things by the energy you feel. I don't know how else to explain that, but I felt this energy behind me and I knew it was Jesus. And the way that I felt it, it became increasingly stronger as he moved closer to me.

SPEAKER_00: 56:19

Wow.

SPEAKER_02: 56:20

And um, I knew he was walking toward me by the intensity increasing of this energy. And the energy, the way I describe it is it would be like if every cell in your entire body had goosebumps. Wow, that's how it felt. Like my whole being had goosebumps just from head to toe, and it it felt like electricity and majesty and love. And there was also light that came into the room with him and a light breeze, so I could still see and feel things, but I the main thing that I the the download was so physical through just what I felt and energy-wise, and I felt him getting closer, and while he got closer, Kristen, I began to lift off the ground, so I was no longer touching the ground. And I like imagine the power of God being so pick an adjective, words really don't do the trick when I try to tell this story. Imagine Jesus being so whatever that the closer he gets to you, the higher you're lifted off the ground. Oh my gosh. And that's what was happening. My I began to leave the ground, and and the closer he got to me, the more I I was raised. And speaking of lifter, right? I was just thinking that. Yes, and um and I I looked down, I was in awe that I wasn't touching the ground, and I had to look and see with my own eyes like, is this real? Is this for real? I'm not touching the ground. So I looked down and under my feet, which there was probably, I don't know, I'm gonna say eight to 12 inches between my feet and the ground. In that space between my feet and the ground, I saw his white robes gently blowing beneath my feet.

SPEAKER_01: 58:26

Oh my word.

SPEAKER_02: 58:27

And I knew he was directly behind me, so close to me that his robes were under my feet. And I gasped and I just like the robes of Jesus are under my feet, he's right behind me. Like it was just like, and immediately I had this thought almost like a question, should I be afraid? And it was like a temptation to be afraid, and but it presented not as fear, but as a should I be afraid? And it was just an internal question almost that I asked myself, and I answered it. And in my mind, I said, No, I'm not gonna be afraid, it's Jesus. And so there was no fear at all. And um, and so, but I'm just looking down at the robes and I'm feeling I'm like logging in my brain this energy and this power and this like electricity that I feel in my whole, but also love, like love just permeating my being. And all of a sudden I see his foot come out from underneath the robe, like he lifted his robe so I could see his foot.

SPEAKER_01: 59:50

Wow.

SPEAKER_02: 59:51

And I'm looking down and I see the foot of Jesus with a hole in it and I see where the nail was and the scar is, and I just begin to weep. And again, like I feel this love, like I can't even imagine the way I describe it is uh you would never think the scars of torture would be a symbol of love, but they are because when I looked, I just knew I was loved. I just knew I was so loved beyond anything I've ever known here. And um, I just began to weep, and then all of a sudden. Um he puts his arms around my waist. So he's directly behind me. He puts both arms around my waist. And can I tell you, he gives a bear hug? He hugged me so tight, Kristen. Oh my gosh. He hugged me and he squeezed me like your little one comes up and hugs you, like your husband would behind you when you're at the kitchen sink, like just this incredibly affectionate, right around my waist, squeeze. And he leans in from behind me and he whispers into my left ear. And this is what he says if I can lay the foundations of the earth, I can take care of you. That's what he said to me. And again, I just took it all in and wept. I just wept. And then all of a sudden, his hand, his left hand, comes out from my waist and he holds it right in front of me. And he puts it just, you know, a foot from my eyes. And he turns it like so I can see the front and the back, and I can see the nail scar. And I immediately touched it. I immediately had to feel it. I just I wanted to, I don't even know how to explain it. I just felt it, rubbed it. I put my finger in the nail scar. And then he showed me like a brief vision of what it looked like when it was bleeding and marred. And I saw it like in the raw form. And then it went back to the scar, like back to like the present day, I guess you could say. And again, I just felt love. I just felt like, how is this really tragic and marred scar that is the remains of torture making me feel so good? And um then I grabbed his hand and I just put it on my cheek. So I took my and I just began to rub his hand all over my face. So it's like, if I could have like ingested him, I would have. I was like, how do I get more of this? How do I feel more of this? And I was just rubbing his hand on my face and I began to kiss his hand and just like love his hand. I don't know how else to I just was loving him by holding his hand and touching his hand and rubbing his hand and just weeping and showing him like my gratitude and my love back to him. And and then slowly he took his hand kind of back to his own side, and I began to feel the energy move away from me, and I knew that he was gonna leave the closet and leave the room. And um, as soon as he was gone, so was the energy, the light, the breeze, all of it was is gone, is just like he came, he went. And um, I was just stunned. I just was stunned, and when I there was more to the dream that had to do with um my kids, and you know, I actually went on in the dream to recount and tell what just happened, and um, God will do that often in my dreams where I have something really profound in the dream, and then I will have a follow-up dream where I'm telling someone about the dream, so it totally sticks with me. It's like seared into me. That's happened to me a handful of times, and that happened, and then I woke up and I just wept. I just walked around my room weeping and crying, and I went and woke up my daughter and I was like, I just saw Jesus. She thought something really awful happened. She goes, Mom, what happened? Oh, and I because I was bawling so hard, and I'm like, I just I just encountered Jesus. And then she was weeping. I told her the whole story. I told all my kids that day that were here, all the kids that because we had a birthday thing that day, and um, and I just in moments where I am like, Lord, it's it's messy out here. He just instantly takes me back to that feeling of him having his arms around me and whispering in my ear, if I can lay the foundations of the earth, I can take care of you. Yes.

SPEAKER_04: 1:05:18

Well, and I I'm just thinking of, you know, the woman that's listening in today, um, who has yet to have an encounter like that. Um, you know, as we kind of wrap up for today, I want to have you back on again because I know that there's more that you can share. For sure. Um but as you're, you know, as you're thinking of usually women who are listening in, you know, this the one woman who's listening in today, we both have that heart for the one, right? Um, what would you want to share with her? Um, and then, you know, what would you want to speak over them? Uh, you know, I'm imagining maybe they're like, well, I I've never had anything like that, you know. Yeah. How how do you like what would you say to them? Um if you're led to in that realm. Otherwise, you can share anything else that's on your heart for the one.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:07

Well, I would say I said the same thing to God. Like, I hear about people meeting you, encountering you, people seeing heaven or whatever, just having encounters. And your what I would say to God is your word says you're no respecter of persons. So there's no reason you can't do that for me. And that was just my prayer for a long, long time, and probably a couple decades. And uh I just I don't know why he chose that encounter. I don't know why that timing, other than like I said, I really needed it when I got it. Um, but I probably could tell you a thousand other times I needed it in my life. I don't know. There's we have to get comfortable with the fact that there's always mystery with God. That doesn't mean He doesn't want to enlighten you and teach you things and answer your questions. The wrong question to ask is why? So that is never the right question to ask. And if God isn't answering you, it may be because you're asking the why haven't I had that, Lord? Wrong question to ask. What if you ask him, God, I'd really like to encounter you. I want to see you touch you. What do you want me to know about that, God? What do you want me to know about that? What do you want me to do about that? And see what God says to you about an encounter with him. I never even did that. I just kept saying, God, if I could just see your face. No, I didn't even see his face. And of course, when all that was over, I'm like, next time, can I see your face? Yeah. And you know what? His word, I said this before, he's a rewarder of those who diligently seek him. Just be diligent. He's not a respecter of persons. And so that's what I would say about encountering Jesus. I also felt really strongly to answer the question this way: if you're not encountering him in his word, and you're not encountering him with your prayer life, um, you know, that's where to start. That's where to start. And I've had so many encounters with him in prayer. And I don't mean where he showed up in the room, I mean where he spoke to me, he led me. I mean, I had a couple encounters this year in specific where um one in particular where he I was in prayer at my prayer bench in my room, and I sensed him saying, I want you to lay flat on your face and reach your hands out and touch my feet. And I did not seeing or feeling anything, but just doing it by faith. And I felt his peace come into me, Kristen. And I was touching like his invisible feet, but it was an encounter, and then he was so kind as to show me his foot. You know, I mean, just get alone with him. You he is beautiful and perfect, and he's everything we need, and no amount of heartache is too much for him to heal, no amount of troubles and trials are too much for him to handle. Your brokenness doesn't put him off, it draws him in. The Bible says he draws near to the brokenhearted. Probably the best advice I could give a woman who's going through her own season of a fiery furnace or loss or grief or betrayal is just be broken with him. Yeah, be broken before him. Don't try to come to him whole. That is such silliness. Yeah, he already knows you're not whole. He he's not church, you don't need to show up looking nice. Yeah, come to Jesus as you are, tell him every ugly thing. He already knows you think it and feel it. I brought him all my anger, all my sadness, all my questions, all my frustrations, all my confusions. In the darkest season of my life, I brought it all to him. Yeah, and I really believe that has a lot to do with the incredible encounters that I've had with him in this season. And I know him in such an intimate way, and I'm okay just being broken in his presence, and he's okay with it too. Yeah. And inevitably, if you bring him your brokenness, he'll and then you ask him, like, Lord, what do you want me to read in your word? Or what do you have to say to me? Or, you know, oh, he always has the salve for your wounds. Always, always, always.

SPEAKER_04: 1:10:45

Oh, you are just like precious is a word I'm hearing. And I I feel like you you've walked through so many fires and um come out on the other side and have so many keys that you um are handing out to women, right? So I would love for you to print us out if you're open to that. But before that, um, where can people reach you? Um, you know, I know that there's there's several few chapters. Yes. If you could just briefly share a little bit what that would look like if somebody was local or not local to get involved, um, how they can touch base with you on that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:26

Thank you. Yes, we have a um national few gathering every month that's strictly online. So anyone from anywhere can be a part of few. But if you are in the Twin Cities area, we have a chapter there with uh President Heidi Hano. And if you're in the excuse me, Atlanta area, we have a beautiful chapter there with Buffy Payne. She's the Few Atlanta chapter president, and I'm in the uh greater Milwaukee area, southeastern Wisconsin. We meet in uh actually downtown Milwaukee. So anyone in those areas, please check it out. Um, you can go to the website, which is the fewwomen.com and it's womenplural, w-o-m-thewwomen.com, f e w. And um, you can click on any of the tabs for this region you're in, or if you want to join us online, just on the main page, you can register for our uh online event that happens on the second Tuesday of each month. Our members um receive other benefits besides our gathering. We can talk about that another time. Um, and then as far as connecting with me, there's a contact page on the site. You can also please look for me on social media. I'd love to connect with more women who are like-minded and who are women of faith pursuing their kingdom assignment. I am at official Kimberly Joy on TikTok, um, Facebook, Instagram, and um on LinkedIn. I think I'm Kimberly Joy Official. So one or the other, just swap the official in the Kimberly Joy, and you'll find me. Sounds good.

SPEAKER_04: 1:13:10

And I'll be sure to link up everything in the show notes if you didn't catch.

SPEAKER_02: 1:13:13

Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04: 1:13:15

I was talking. So um this has been so much fun. Would you pray us out? Yes, and you have to come back.

SPEAKER_02: 1:13:21

Yes, I will. And I forgot to mention I have a podcast called Extraordinary with Kimberly Joy, and that's also on YouTube and anywhere where you can listen to podcasts.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 1:13:31

Um so yes, Father, we thank you for your daughters, and I thank you for the women and the men too. I just know I'm called to your daughters, God, but you are the lifter of all of our heads. And so I pray today that everyone who heard this, that their head is lifted, God, that they're ready to remove the grave clothes. I'm sorry, the prison clothes, grave clothes too, all the bad ones. God, that they're ready to take on their new identity and their new rank as co-heir with Christ and have a seat at your table and be provided for by you all the days of their lives. God, that is your heart for your children. Wow. And as a mother, I can just so relate to that, God, who would want anything less? And so I pray that whatever the listener needed to hear today to activate them so that they will encounter you in such a way to be transformed, to want to rip off those old prison clothes and sit with you and sup with you every day. God, let it be so. I thank you for Kristen and her ministry. And I ask you to bless this podcast and expand its reach so that many, many more can be unlocked in your name, Jesus. Amen. Amen.

SPEAKER_04: 1:14:49

Well, thank you for being a brave voice who's setting so many free. Um, keep going. I am gonna close with the hope unlocked anchoring verse, which is may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope. And that's Romans 15, 13. So thank you again, Kimberly. It was so wonderful to have you on. Like I said, we're gonna have to have her back on to share more your work. I'd love to.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:16

Thank you for having me. It was just absolutely delightful.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:19

Yes, I've got an alarm going off here. So thank you so much. I'll be back with another episode next week. Thanks, listeners. Bye.