From Broken Nose to Bold Vision: Rebuilding Identity & Purpose with Dr. Dave Jones

Former athlete Dr. Dave Jones shares how a career-ending injury sparked a faith-filled pivot from sports to founding Marketing Ministries and later M Is Good. We explore purpose-driven leadership, rebuilding identity, and Dave’s R7 framework—destiny, vision, strategy, brand, communication, prayer, action. He also breaks down FLAP (fear, lust, anger, pride) and how leaders overcome inner battles to pursue clear vision. A powerful episode for anyone navigating transition, calling, or a fresh start.

Dr. Dave's contact info:

Website - www.misgood.com

Dr. Dave's book:  Vision Wins: Strategies for Mental Toughness in Life & Sports

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Chapters

• 0:16 Welcome And Mission Of The Show
• 0:55 Meet Dr. Dave Jones
• 1:19 Hockey Roots And Seeking Approval
• 2:46 The Slap Shot Wake-Up Call
• 4:18 Marriage, Faith, And Slow Turning
• 6:05 Birth Of Marketing Ministries
• 8:39 The Lean Years And Grit
• 10:40 Support, Work Ethic, And No Experience
• 12:49 A Taco Bell Mentor And 30 Books
• 15:12 Identity Shift And Breaking Poverty Mindsets
• 18:06 Prophecy, Rebrand, And The R7 Framework
• 20:45 Mentors Arrive For Every Step
• 22:10 Ego, Humility, And A New Book
• 23:19 FLAP: Fear, Lust, Anger, Pride
• 24:46 Why Vision Is So Hard
• 27:09 Memorable Vision: Examples And Habakkuk
• 29:52 Three Vision Problems And The Bat-Signal
• 31:50 Closing Encouragement And Prayer
• 34:26 Hope Verse And Sign-Off

Transcript

SPEAKER_03: 0:16

Welcome to the Hope Unlock Podcast. I'm your host, Kristen Kurtz, and I'm also the founder of New Wings Coaching. I help and empower wild-hearted and adventurous women of faith feeling caged and stuck, unlock their true purpose and potential, break free from limitations, and thrive with confidence, courage, and hope. If you're curious to learn more about coaching with me, head to newwinkscoaching.net and be sure to explore the show notes for ways to connect with me further. Get ready to dive in as we uncover empowering keys and insights in this episode. So tune in and let's unlock hope together. Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast. I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host. I pray this episode is like a holy IV of hope for your soul. Please help me welcome Dr. Dave Jones to the show. I'm so excited for him to be here today. We're a new connection. Um, and I just know that he's gonna have so much goodness to share with you guys today. So thanks for being here. Would you share a little bit about yourself before we get into your story?

SPEAKER_01: 1:11

I appreciate you having me. Um, yes, super excited to talk to you today. Um a little bit about my story. Um, well, um I um I grew up in northwest Pennsylvania. Um, I would say that that particular town has been depressed um for a very long time. Um my oldest brother um used to get in trouble a lot with the law. And what I found was early on, I don't know if it was subconsciously or consciously, but he was just seeking attention for his parents. And um, he sought attention by getting in trouble and thought that's the way to do it. And I saw that and I said, I don't want to do that. Right. That sounds crazy, or that looks crazy to me. Like, I don't want to be that. And so what I ended up doing is that somehow I started playing hockey and I realized that I could get attention by scoring goals. And so what I did is I just scored more goals and I got more attention. And so I I really just um you know, over the years, people say I'm like I have a lot of talent. I really don't think I have talent, I just think that I've early on I just just tried to score more goals, honestly. Like I just try to go after it, and uh just through repetition, I I got good at catching and passing and running and throwing stuff. And so um so I got pretty good at hockey. And so I went to um um after high school, I went up to Ottawa and played, and then I played for Cleveland and played four years in Germany, and um through the crazy world of hockey, which I think you have some experience with being a hockey role there. Um, I got um when I was playing for Cleveland, I got a slap shot in the face that shattered my nose in three different directions, deviated septum, kept the nerves in my teeth in my mouth. And um, I fell. If you know for your listeners out there, if you know the hockey rank, but um it was right at the top of the blue line, and I was I was going in and and the puck hit me like right at the blue line, and then I fell to my knees and blood was coming out of my nose.

SPEAKER_07: 3:12

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01: 3:13

So I skid right into the goal line, and the trainer comes out. This is in Kalmazou K-Wing Stadium and um with the white towel and puts it on my nose, and and um by the time I got back to the bench, the towel was red, completely red. And so that was the time, Kristen, that I really for the first time in my life, I said, Lord, this stinks, man. What what are we? I need to do something with my life because this ain't it.

SPEAKER_03: 3:37

Oh wow, and that was the moment you had that epiphany. Yeah, I mean, it was it was in in the blood going everywhere moment.

SPEAKER_01: 3:46

Yeah, I mean, it was definitely like you know, I think the Lord has you know been there for more subtle ways for sure. I got it with one not so subtle. Wow, the worst of it though was was um I wasn't I they put like three yards of gauze up each nostril, and so they had these tubes I was supposed to breathe out, but they got jammed up with like snot. And so I wasn't smart enough to go back to the Cleveland Clinic, so I just kind of grind through it, and so at night my tongue would crack and bleed. It was awful. Um and so I ended up going overseas and playing, but that was really when I was I was really was my first real prayer of Lord, do something with my life.

SPEAKER_03: 4:28

Wow, and how old were you at that time?

SPEAKER_01: 4:31

I was 20.

SPEAKER_03: 4:32

Okay, and at that point were you a believer?

SPEAKER_01: 4:36

I was I was not a believer. I mean, I was a believer, I received Jesus when I was 16, but I really wasn't a practicing Christian. You know, this was the first time where I was like, I need to depend on the Lord here.

SPEAKER_03: 4:48

Wow, and in in that realm were there a lot of believers around you?

SPEAKER_01: 4:52

Like no mentors, no believers, nothing, there was nothing there for me.

SPEAKER_03: 4:59

Okay, so what happened next?

SPEAKER_01: 5:02

So I go overseas and play hockey in Germany. Um, I I've been married for 25 years, I met my future wife there, which was awesome. She was from Pennsylvania, I was from Pennsylvania, it was a total God thing. Wow, that's a whole story of it. That's another whole story, yeah. Um, and so with her, you know, just committing, you know, we both kind of committed and say, you know what, let's let's do this Jesus thing together. And so that's when we started down the path of you know, you know, really just studying the word.

SPEAKER_03: 5:33

Yeah. So what did that look like though? Because you know, the Jesus thing is it can be a whole thing. Like, did you have people that started coming alongside you? Did you step into church? Like, what did that look like for you together as a couple, even?

SPEAKER_01: 5:47

I I feel like I'm just kind of like a knucklehead, honestly. Like it was a very slow burn, you know, got it to wake me up with a slap shot in the face, but it was kind of a slow burn of let's do life, let's do life thing, the Jesus thing together. But it really wasn't until about five years later after that. I mean, we were definitely making decisions and follow the Lord, but it wasn't until I really started uh M is Good in November of 2001, where really just my commitment to the Lord took off.

SPEAKER_03: 6:16

Okay. Tell me more about M is Good for those. There's they're like, What is M is Good?

SPEAKER_01: 6:23

Yeah. So um the original name was Marketing Ministries. Um, and so they had that name from November 2001 to 2010. I pivoted the the company to M is Good in 2000 from 2011, 2013.

SPEAKER_07: 6:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 6:37

Um, and so I kind of want to go back to how I started the company because that's kind of a fun story. So um, this was like in June of 2000. Um I was done with hockey. I was I had an identity crisis. I really didn't know. I felt like I was on a curb in a city I'd never been in because I've always been a hockey player.

SPEAKER_06: 6:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 6:59

And I I really didn't like myself, honestly. I I just didn't like who I was. I I was I had this thought like, if I was friends with me, would I like me? And I was like, no, I wouldn't.

SPEAKER_03: 7:11

Right. That's a good question for yourself.

SPEAKER_01: 7:14

Like, I don't know that I'd like me. And so I knew there was something wrong. And and I knew that like I needed I needed a change. And this seed of um, you know, the of Jesus was inside of me, and I and I prayed a prayer. So I leave hockey, it's June of 2000. Um, and I and I found myself working for a TV station in Raleigh, North Carolina. And um I I was just frustrated. I was I was just frustrated with life and who I was, and I just prayed a prayer right there in my cubicle. And and uh I found myself looking at this list of clients, Christian clients that are on the TV station. I said, Oh, I'm gonna start an ad agency. What do I call it? And I didn't hear an audible voice, but the words marketing ministries drop into my spirit, and I was like, Wow, that's a really dumb name. And I so I didn't know what to do. So I I hired a lawyer, and um, and so the lawyer came to see if the name was available. The lawyer came back and says, It's available. I'm like, Oh my gosh, Lord, that's maybe you're not so dumb. This is awesome.

SPEAKER_03: 8:24

We we might use this dumb name.

unknown: 8:26

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 8:27

Because I thought marketing and ministries like two common words, like somebody's done this before, right? Apparently nobody's had. Yeah, and so um, so I started the company. So I went to those 30 clients I saw, and they and this was in June, and um, and they said, Dave, we're with you. This is awesome, let's go. So I thought this is great, it's gonna be easy. So I started the company in November 2001, and I go back to those clients and I say, Hey, I'm here, I started. And they're like, Uh, you started what? You told me you were with me. No, we're not with you.

SPEAKER_02: 9:03

Oh man.

SPEAKER_01: 9:05

So that first year was rough. Yeah. Um, so an agency makes 15% commission off of media spend. At least that's what that's the business model at the time. And and uh that first year we built$15,000. Wow, 15% of$15,000 is terrible.

SPEAKER_03: 9:24

And were you still working? No job at that time. So you you went all in.

SPEAKER_01: 9:30

I went all in.

SPEAKER_03: 9:31

You jumped off the cliff.

SPEAKER_01: 9:32

Yep.

SPEAKER_03: 9:33

Okay, just had to find out if that was the case.

SPEAKER_01: 9:37

Yeah, I know. You yeah, I took that leap of faith. In fact, I I went into the office. I don't tell many people this deep of the story, but I went into the office and told a general sales manager that I'm gonna go serve the Lord. Wow, and um, and I I was brash at the time, but I said, I'm gonna go work Tuesdays and Thursdays, and I'm gonna depend on the Lord for my for my food. And um, I'll see you later. He said, Can you give me 15 days? I said, I'll give you 15 seconds. I'm out of here because I'm going with the Lord.

SPEAKER_06: 10:09

Wow.

SPEAKER_01: 10:10

And I'll never, Chris, I'll never forget this. I leave that sales office, and like my wife was waiting for me because we only had like one car.

SPEAKER_06: 10:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 10:20

And she swings the door open. I sit down. I was like, and she looks at me and she says, Welcome to the life of the living.

SPEAKER_03: 10:28

Welcome to the life of say that one again.

SPEAKER_01: 10:30

Oh my god, that was yeah, welcome to the life of the living. And I was like, I love you, you're so awesome. And so I was such an inspiration. I thought, I'm gonna build this. I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm gonna go do it. I'm not giving up. So that that second year we build like$30,000. The third year was I think$200, the fourth year was$800, and then like we've never looked back ever since then. So it took about four and a half years to build it. Um, and so it was really just a a media buying agency um that had some video production um to it. So so yeah, that's the kind of the beginning stories of of marketing ministries, and then so Can I go back for a second? Yes, yes, please.

SPEAKER_03: 11:18

So your wife, your wife obviously fully supported you those first couple years. Like, what did that look like tangibly to continue to walk in faith and keep going, despite what you saw on paper, right? What did that look like for you and and for your wife too?

SPEAKER_01: 11:40

Yeah, so the good news is like we didn't have kids, so there wasn't the pressure to you know feed my kids. I, you know, we ate some ramen noodles and some PBJ, but she was she was working at the hospital full time as a perfusionist, so she was running the heart and lung machine during open art surgery. So at the time it was it was pretty good money. So I you know, I I try to remember back, and I just, you know, you're you have boys, I think, that play hockey, right? And like hockey is the sport of like you gotta get up early, it's just you gotta grind, you know, it's pri it's how many practices a week. That was in me. Yeah, and and so I just knew I had to go through the process and grind. I knew I had to show value. I knew because you know, I played pro hockey too, so I was like, if I don't show value, I'm not gonna play.

SPEAKER_07: 12:32

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 12:33

You know, you don't just automatically get on the power play. You gotta be good to be on the power play, and you gotta, you know, you gotta produce.

SPEAKER_06: 12:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 12:40

And so I just knew something that I I had to produce, and I knew I was putting pieces together in order to make that happen. And I don't know, I and I I wasn't a marketing guy, you know, I was a guy that was following Jesus that like you know was a hockey guy, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 12:57

So you literally didn't have any marketing experience? Zero for this. Okay, so no marketing experience, and the Lord calls you to start a marketing topic. Yep. Love it. Okay. So we covered year one and two, walking in faith, continuing on. You've got it in you to keep going. Um, were there any moments that you did kind of question, or did you have people coming into your world? Like, what are you thinking? What are you doing? Did you have any of those people come along? I think of Nehemiah and those that were just like, you know, trying to get him off the wall. Did you have any people like that come in your world?

SPEAKER_01: 13:39

So back to the story of I knew I didn't, I didn't the answer is yes, I did. Um, because it was back to I didn't like who I was. And so I actually met a guy named Derek at Taco Bell.

SPEAKER_07: 13:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 13:53

And uh this is this is such a God story, right? This is crazy, right? Met him at Taco Bell, and we just started talking. And I was very transparent with him. I started this agency, like, this is what I'm doing, you know, it's not going very well. And I kind of told him I don't like myself. And he said, Well, this is back before social media. He said, You know, if you don't like yourself, ma'am, I'll give you 30 books to read. Turn off the TV and read these 30 books. And I said, Okay. And so um, that's what I did.

SPEAKER_03: 14:24

Wow.

SPEAKER_01: 14:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 14:26

And so you're gonna tell us your favorite book then, at least of the of the 30.

SPEAKER_01: 14:31

There's so many good ones in there. I mean, he um how to win friends and influence people, you know, that's a classic. Um, I think about um The Go Getter, that was in there. Of course, the Bible was in there. Um The Carpenter by John Gordon, that was in there. My father's business, Rich Dad, Poor Dad, Rich God, Poor God. Um uh The Millionaire Next Door, like just all these like self-image books, sure, yeah, and success books, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 15:06

Okay, and so who was he? Did you just randomly meet him?

SPEAKER_01: 15:09

Like randomly met him.

SPEAKER_03: 15:10

Was he a cashier? Like, who was he?

SPEAKER_01: 15:13

He was actually the story is he was an amway. Oh, he was an amway guy.

SPEAKER_03: 15:19

Okay, interesting. And so was he just sitting down and you met him, or were you guys getting tacos at the same time?

SPEAKER_01: 15:25

And the we were getting tacos at the same time, and he was looking to build his Amway business, and um, you know, he was just introducing himself.

SPEAKER_03: 15:33

Oh wow, yeah, so incredible. So you had this like moment of being taught through a guy that you meet at Taco Bell. Um what was like the most impactful um lesson you learned through the books to get you like moving into a different trajectory in business? Gosh, what this identity piece, right?

SPEAKER_01: 16:36

It's such a great question. I there's so much there. I think it just reshaped my whole mindset, you know, of like a checkup from the neck of everything that I thought was the way to win was wrong. Like I was open to change, I was open to the idea that the way I'm thinking may not be working. In fact, I knew it wasn't working, so I was just open to to change, and so you know, I just realized that I came from a place of poverty, you know, and I think that now I look back on it, I think it's a spirit. And so, you know, I I do believe I've told my family this multiple times. I do believe I broke a generational curse.

SPEAKER_03: 17:24

Yeah, absolutely. So you're a breaker in your family, and being a breaker comes with some breaking. Did you have some breakdowns along the way?

SPEAKER_00: 17:37

Never, never, never oh man, so many breakdowns. It's hard to count. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 17:48

Which breakdown could you share with us that you just saw God show up in like miraculous ways?

SPEAKER_01: 17:55

So back to your your earliest question of M is Good. So the original name was Marketing Ministries, and I knew I wanted to rebrand because I had got a prophecy hit me in 2009.

SPEAKER_06: 18:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 18:08

Not a very prophetic person, but I've seen it happen multiple times because we, you know, at M is Good, we represent a a lot of different Christian organizations around the world. And so at the time we were very heavy into the church.

SPEAKER_07: 18:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 18:23

And um, and so I've been to a lot of different churches from Methodist, um, Baptist, Pentecostal, you know, that kind of side of things. So I so I hadn't go over Germany back again to meet a client. I go to church and I get hit with a prophetic word um from an apostle.

SPEAKER_05: 18:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 18:41

And uh it rocked me. And um, you know, my ears swelled up, my face got hot, I fell to my knees, I passed out like it was like an event.

SPEAKER_06: 18:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 18:52

And through that prophetic word, I was really uh debating whether or not to f to to follow it. In fact, I sat on it for a year.

SPEAKER_06: 19:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 19:05

And I said, you know, I can choose to believe this or I can choose not to. And my current trajectory, I'm gonna choose to believe it. So I went all in.

SPEAKER_06: 19:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 19:18

And so what became what is R seven today is part of that prophecy. And so R seven is what is your this is like what we take all clients through. It's our process that M is good. But the first part is destiny. What is my purpose? So destiny is one of those words that you know I call them obligatory religious phraseology. It's some of these words that you know Christians use that nobody know nobody understands. And so destiny is one of those. You know, destiny is short for destination, but you know, our ultimate destiny is to glorify the Lord with our talents and our abilities.

SPEAKER_06: 19:53

Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 19:54

So that's that's one. Two is vision. If anything I do really well, I think it's vision. And so how to write it, how to pull it out of someone, how to pull it out of myself, how to drive it. Um, you know, vision is a short, portable, easy understand, memorable, inspiring statement. It's seven, eleven words, no conjunctions. So, what is the vision? Three, we get into what is this uh the strategy. From there, we build the brand. Next, we're gonna communicate the brand, then we're gonna pray about steps one through five. Step seven, take action. So I'm telling y'all this to tell you that uh the miracle of what happened through this prophecy is God sent me. Mentors in every one of these steps.

SPEAKER_03: 20:41

Really?

SPEAKER_01: 20:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 20:42

Like within that first year?

SPEAKER_01: 20:45

Within about five years.

SPEAKER_03: 20:47

Five years.

SPEAKER_01: 20:48

Yeah. So this was like 2009 to about 2014-15.

SPEAKER_06: 20:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 20:55

Right as we're rebranding the company.

SPEAKER_06: 20:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 20:58

And bringing this R7 to life. And I didn't know it till about mentor four.

SPEAKER_06: 21:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 21:04

Yeah. I was like, oh my gosh. Like, like, this is crazy. And out of all this, we only really had to pay for one of them.

SPEAKER_03: 21:13

Wow.

SPEAKER_01: 21:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 21:15

So by mentor four, what what were you thinking by mentor four?

SPEAKER_01: 21:22

I'm like, this is crazy. Like, like, this is not about me. This is about a vision that God has that needs to get out. And I'm just a this is gonna sound bad, but I just like I'm just a pimple on the ass of life here, you know, like making things happen. Like, I'm just I gotta know that I'm I'm I'm just part of his plan. I'm not the plan, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03: 21:48

Yes. Because wouldn't you say a lot of people maybe in business the business world unfortunately start to think it's all about them over the years? Would you could you kind of speak to that a little bit? Because I I don't know, I feel like somebody wants to hear about that.

SPEAKER_01: 22:07

This is this is a really good question because I just wrote a book on this.

SPEAKER_03: 22:11

Oh, perfect. See, I didn't know. I like I didn't know this. I like to be surprised. So let's hear more about this.

SPEAKER_01: 22:20

Yeah. So this will be my fourth book. It's not gonna come out till probably July 4th of next year.

SPEAKER_03: 22:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 22:28

Freedom to I just I just wrote it and it's now with my editor. And I'm you know, my editor's gonna kick my butt on it. I know that for sure.

SPEAKER_02: 22:37

And and why is that? Just I I just gotta know. Kick your butt on what on what?

SPEAKER_01: 22:42

Um, well, I like this is my fourth book, so I just know like my my other two books I write really fast, and then we start then really kind of fleshing everything out. Okay, it just takes time to work on the character development and stuff. But so I've kind of boiled it down to four things okay, of of like that gets in the way of development of like peak performance. And I call this flap. Okay. So flap stands for fear, lust, anger, and pride.

SPEAKER_03: 23:19

Wow. Those are some power-packed words right there.

SPEAKER_01: 23:26

And so your flap, your fear, your lust, your anger, and your pride is like stress and anxiety. It's not something that you get rid of, it's something that you manage. It's something that you're aware of. Everybody struggles with their flap, at least two things a day, like you know, like your fear, lust, your anger, whatever, two of those a day get you. Um, it gets everybody.

SPEAKER_06: 23:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 23:57

And so it's how do we navigate our flap?

SPEAKER_03: 24:03

Wow. That's powerful. So obviously, you've walked through this to get this revelation because we don't typically hand out revelation until we walked through something and experienced it, right? Um, when did this come for you? This flap, did he like were you tell us more about like getting this revelation? Like what happened?

SPEAKER_01: 24:27

This was mentor two.

SPEAKER_03: 24:30

Oh, mentor two, okay. I like your mentors, they're great. Yeah, thank you, mentors of Dr. Dave.

SPEAKER_01: 24:36

Thank you, mentors. Um, and so this was mentor two. So this is back probably 2014, somewhere in there, where this hit me, and I just really been sitting on it for a while and just really kind of testing it with different clients and different pieces throughout the years, through through different, you know, meetings and different, you know, um destiny sessions. Um, I do a lot of destiny sessions.

SPEAKER_06: 25:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 25:06

And so um I just really just and this is kind of my first time like just putting it together. So it's been bacon for at least a decade.

SPEAKER_03: 25:14

Okay. Yeah. Wow. So of these, like you have the R seven and you've got these different realms in each um, you know, one through seven. Which would you say, because do you work with men and women or oh yeah, yeah, which would you say is most challenging for people to grasp?

SPEAKER_01: 25:37

Another great question. I like so I I'm just gonna geek out on you for a second here.

SPEAKER_07: 25:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 25:44

The answer is the answer is vision. Vision is really, really hard to find.

SPEAKER_07: 25:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 25:52

Like really hard to find.

SPEAKER_07: 25:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 25:54

And so the reason is our brain loves what, where, when, and how. And this is in the neocortex of our brain. The amygdala formulates the what, where, when, and how, and then just says fight or flight.

SPEAKER_03: 26:16

Yeah, but then it goes to the fear too, right?

SPEAKER_01: 26:19

Yeah, that's part of that. And so vision is in the amygdala. So this is the why. And so it's so easy for us to say, where do I need to be? How long are we gonna be there? How much is it gonna cost, right? But then you talk about why. It's really hard to pull that out, just it just is. Yeah, and so then you gotta pull that out and you gotta say it's a short, portable, easy understand, memorable, inspiring statement that's seven, eleven words, no conjunctions. So now you have to take it and just refine it. Yeah, and most people don't want to do that because the two tenets of a human being are the pursuit of pleasure or the avoidance of pain. And so to get to that vision, it's it's rigorous, it's detailed, it's committing, it's persistent. And so it's not impossible. Um, I've done it a lot of times, but when you think about some of the best visions out there, um I don't mean to make this a political statement, but it just works because everybody's familiar with it. But if we go back to Obama's vision, change, yes, we can. And if we go to who she ran or who he ran against at the time, John McCain, do we remember John McCain's vision?

SPEAKER_03: 27:53

No.

SPEAKER_01: 27:53

No. Because it wasn't good.

SPEAKER_03: 27:57

What do you what was it? Do you not know either?

SPEAKER_01: 28:01

I no, I know. You do it was uh country first.

SPEAKER_03: 28:05

Country first.

SPEAKER_02: 28:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 28:07

If we fast forward to um Donald Trump, make America great again, right? Yes, and then who did he run against? Kamala. First time, Hillary the second, or Hillary the first time, right? Kamala the second time. What was Hillary's vision?

SPEAKER_02: 28:26

No idea.

SPEAKER_01: 28:28

I'm with her.

SPEAKER_02: 28:30

Oh okay.

SPEAKER_01: 28:32

And what was Kamala's? Good luck. No idea. See, this is what vision does. It just, you know, when it's short, easy to understand, portable, inspiring. It's it's kind of like actually Habakkuk talks about this in Habakkuk. He's, you know, for those of the listening that don't know the story. Um, Habakkuk is a minor prophet. He's very frustrated with God because at the time, Nineveh was like was like New York and Los Angeles in the 70s. Yeah, anything goes in Nineveh, and nobody wanted to go to Nineveh because it was crazy.

SPEAKER_06: 29:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 29:11

Crazy town.

unknown: 29:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 29:12

And so he goes up on this watchtower and he's like, God, where are you? Like, this is crazy. I'm gonna sit here until you answer my question.

SPEAKER_06: 29:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 29:20

And God responds with write the vision on a tablet. And in the amplified, it says, make it plain so the runner running by can see it and carry it with them. And so the way I translate this is that you and I are driving down the interstate and we see a billboard that says McDonald's next exit. That's pretty easy. We're hungry, we get off.

SPEAKER_07: 29:45

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 29:46

Right. But if you have this billboard, it has all these words on it, you can't read it, you don't know what it's saying.

SPEAKER_03: 29:51

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 29:52

So this is where like the vision everybody has their. I've had a pastor say, Dave, we're not gonna work on the congregation's vision. There's only one vision in here, and it's mine.

SPEAKER_02: 30:02

Oh like, oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 30:07

So everybody has vision. You know, it's in there. Um there's some debate there psychologically and from a research standpoint, like if we're born with it or is it happened to us through trauma? Um, that's debatable, but at the end of the day, it's there.

SPEAKER_07: 30:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 30:27

And so getting that out so that we can have that. I don't know if you remember back, but like you remember the the um Batman when he had like, you know, the commissioner needed Batman and go to the top of the building and shine the Bat logo, and Batman would show up. That's the way I look like our vision is. It's like we have to we have to show our vision to the world so that people can show up and help us accomplish the vision.

SPEAKER_03: 30:51

That's good. Say that again.

SPEAKER_01: 30:53

So, like your vision is is for those of us older, remember Batman, the old Batman's where the commissioner was struggling, something was happening. And so he would go to the top of the building and he would he would shine the Bat logo, the Batman logo, and then Batman would show up. Yeah, and so that's kind of like our vision is like we need to we need to communicate our vision to the world so that people can help us.

SPEAKER_03: 31:18

Yeah, that's so good.

SPEAKER_01: 31:19

Um, so there's three problems of vision. One, you don't have it, two, you're not communicating it, and three, you don't believe in your own vision.

SPEAKER_03: 31:26

Wow. So you get to be like a spiritual optometrist and help people. That's your vision, right?

SPEAKER_00: 31:34

Something like that, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 31:36

Wow. Well, this time has gone by really fast. I know we have to keep it a little tight here today, but I would love to have you back again. Um, I know you mentioned you have a book coming out in July. What's what's happening between now and then that people could um tap into what you're putting out there? Um, what can people get involved in? How can they reach you? We'd love to hear.

SPEAKER_01: 31:57

Yeah. So you can go to m isgood.com um on there. Um, there's a let's chat, you know, filling out you know the contact form there and just let's chat that goes right directly to me if you want to reach out. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 32:11

Awesome. Well, this has been a joy. Um, I would love for you to just think of just the one who's listening in today, if there's anything else that you would love to, um, any words of encouragement or wisdom that you'd love to speak over them. And then would you pray us out today?

SPEAKER_01: 32:26

Yeah, absolutely. I I want to say that if you're listening today, that no matter what you're going through, the peaks and valleys of the world of the life that you're in, you know that God is there and he has a vision for your life. And that whether it's really, really, you know, a deep valley or you're on top of the peak, you know, there is a vision for you. And I just heard this the other day, I thought was super powerful. That if you're thinking like if you're in a dark valley and you think, man, there's no way out, this is not God, right? This is this is the adversary telling you there's only one way. When we really embrace our true identity in in Christ, the wall has the room has no walls. There's infinite choices and there's infinite opportunity, and that's the beauty of um being a Christian is that you know, we got we have to glorify the Lord with our talents and our abilities in the peaks and in the valleys, and He is there for you no matter what you're going through.

SPEAKER_03: 33:33

Yeah, it's so good. Oh my gosh. Yeah, would you pray us out? And then absolutely that was such a good word. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01: 33:41

Yes. Um, thank you, Lord. Except for the grace of God, there go I. Um I just want us uh just uh just pray a hedge of protection over us, our family, our friends, our finances, over Kristen's podcast, um her vision for her her life and her business. Lord, I just so thankful for the opportunity to serve you and and be in this moment today. And and um, and uh those that are listening out there, um, just ask that you put as your protection over their family, friends, and finances too. In Jesus' mighty name we pray.

SPEAKER_03: 34:17

Amen. Thank you so much. I'm gonna close with Hope Unlocked Anchoring Verse, which is May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace and believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope. And that's Romans 15, 13. So thank you for being a brave voice who's setting many free. I will be back with another episode next week. Have a great day.